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Pierre Deplorabo
Pierre Deplorabo@PDeplorabo·
Absence of a precursor virus is not proof of one theory over the other, but actually the absence of one 6+ years later is a bit inconvenient for the nature origin theory - or even the lab spillover vs lab engineered theory. The wet market swabs were taken on Jan 1 2020. There is ample evidence that the virus existed in Nov 2019...meaning those swabs only show an amplification site.
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Matt Taibbi
Matt Taibbi@mtaibbi·
It’s not about Covid policy - it’s about whether or not the virus was engineered, and Fauci and other health officials have knowledge there that Trump likely did not. These GOF programs predate Trump. Not everything is about him
Robert Brookman@RBrookman34

@mtaibbi How is it that, in the right wing mind, Fauci is to blame for Covid policy, but the president at the time — his boss, and the guy that made the policy decisions that Fauci implemented — is blameless?

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Dr. Brian Goldman
Dr. Brian Goldman@NightShiftMD·
The US Senate is a cesspool of antivax idiology. Attacking Dr. Anthony Fauci is worse than a waste of time. It's a distraction from critical public health issues like cyclosporiasis and ebola.
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Pierre Deplorabo
Pierre Deplorabo@PDeplorabo·
Yup - it was seasonality combined with vax timing and waning vax protection. By the time blue states had their seasonal peaks, boosters were available for seniors. Southern states didn't get the same luxury, partly due to unfortunate timing and partly due to the fact that the CDC, NIH and FDA were too slow to respond to mounting evidence. The biggest issue though is the evidence of the vax waning was there by the end of June/July - particularly in Israel where everyone was vaxed very early, but elderly vax southern seniors here in the US were still made to believe they were adequately protected.
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PoIiMath
PoIiMath@politicalmath·
Here's an even better one: New Mexico and Oregon had THE SAME vaccination rates but New Mexico had almost 2X higher Covid death rate than Oregon Why? The "masks and vaccines" story utterly fails to explain this.
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PoIiMath
PoIiMath@politicalmath·
When the Delta wave of Covid hit Florida in the the summer if 2021, Florida has a 79.9% of seniors fully vaccinated At that same time, New York had 80.5% of seniors vaccinated. Obviously that wave was not due to vaccine hesitancy. Something else was happening.
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Pierre Deplorabo
Pierre Deplorabo@PDeplorabo·
I get that sentiment. The problem was that for many districts it was a full school year (Mar '20 to Mar '21) year or more of remote. Certainly longer than that for the masks and some distancing. It produced huge learning loss that we may never fully recover from. Kids didn't get their proms and graduations, didn't participate in organized sports, missed out on class traps...couldn't hang out with their friends. There were very real consequences to decisions made that had little influence on COVID deaths. To add insult to injury many of these decisions were not following the science and data that was readily available at the time.
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Football The Wars Metal
Football The Wars Metal@swmetalosu·
@PDeplorabo @NightShiftMD Look I don't see a huge issue. It was a number of months that people had to hunker down. They had the summer that schools werent affected & COVID came on right at the tail end of the school year in '20. It was a small price to pay for making sure even more older adults didn't die
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Pierre Deplorabo
Pierre Deplorabo@PDeplorabo·
Sorry - also not true. Putting cloth masks on children was completely useless. Putting surgical masks on children didn't do much either. Most adults never wore them correctly to be truly effective and kids were of course even worse. Only a token few wore N95s. For example, Norway and Sweden did not mask their kids, nor practice 3 or 6 foot social distancing - except for actually the teachers in break rooms! They had normal class sizes. They did avoid large gatherings. Honestly, I think most of the measures were just theater with kids. What they should have done based on the data was have full in person for most of the year and time it around the seasonal surges (which were highly predictable 4-6 week spans) - either by going remote during this period or planning the start and end and vacation/holidays around these peaks.
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Football The Wars Metal
Football The Wars Metal@swmetalosu·
@PDeplorabo @NightShiftMD And the schools with low transmission did so by following strict mitigation methods...not by being careless by how they stacked kids, using no masks, and sending the full school population in daily instead of hybrid.
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Pierre Deplorabo
Pierre Deplorabo@PDeplorabo·
Sure. Asympotomatic folks can still transmit, but at far lower rates. The reason is that more of the virus is produced when of course someone is coughing or sneezing. That said, they key was in the data and there were a number of studies early on that showed that schools were not the problem. It was also easily observable at the time - whether looking at the European countries, or even similar neighboring towns with different school strategies. pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC77… cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/7… pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33740430/ pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC83…
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Football The Wars Metal
Football The Wars Metal@swmetalosu·
@PDeplorabo @NightShiftMD True that most children who were infected were not asymptomatic. But that number was actually 35-45%. That could still be lots of kids..and in a situations where they are all in close quarters at school? And you said yourself that they can also transmit it before symptoms appear.
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Pierre Deplorabo
Pierre Deplorabo@PDeplorabo·
That's actually not true at all. Yes, children could certainly transmit COVID, including before symptoms appeared. But most infected children were not permanently asymptomatic “silent carriers”; they usually developed mild, often recognizable illness. Also, almost all the actual data pointed to low transmission from open schools - and that was early on. What they found is that it was often the opposite. community->Schools, not schools->community.
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Football The Wars Metal
Football The Wars Metal@swmetalosu·
@PDeplorabo @NightShiftMD One thing that people never grasped at the time & still don't. In '20, pre-vaccine, children rarely fell severely ill from COVID, but they were active carriers. Reopening schools then would have massively accelerated community spread, endangering vulnerable parents & grandparents
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Pierre Deplorabo
Pierre Deplorabo@PDeplorabo·
The only one that has said the pandemic is an overblown nothingburger is you. It's not my fault you live in absolutes. A shit ton of folks died in 2020 and in later years - not many of them were children and, in fact, in the year Rand Paul said this, less than 200 kids died of COVID - which is about at or below how many die from the flu every year. At the same time, Rand Paul was also saying that the disease spreads like a common cold, but is far more lethal. No wonder our public health officials had to speak in simple absolutes - they were talking to folks like you.
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Football The Wars Metal
Football The Wars Metal@swmetalosu·
@PDeplorabo @NightShiftMD So which is it? The pandemic is was an overblown nothingburger or "we need answers" for the one million deaths it caused as you just said two posts ago? And I am not buying your bullshit that you don't belong in either of those camps.
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Football The Wars Metal
Football The Wars Metal@swmetalosu·
@PDeplorabo @NightShiftMD Where in the hell did you do your research on Paul? You obviously didn't do a very good job of it because a quick Google search brings back this result on his COVID rhetoric:
Football The Wars Metal tweet media
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Pierre Deplorabo
Pierre Deplorabo@PDeplorabo·
One thing that I have not seen talked about (though if anyone did, you did!) is the timing of the Summer wave of 2021, combined with the timing of the 5-6 month anniversary of early vaxers in those areas (particularly Florida) and the fact that we waited so long to 1) recommend boosters to the vulnerable, but, more importantly, 2) to warn those folks that vax wanes in about 5-6 months and that there were plenty of breakthrough cases. The data was certainly available from Israel at the time. I'm guessing if that warning was provided a month or two earlier, there would be 20-50k more southerners/Floridians that survived that wave.
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Pierre Deplorabo
Pierre Deplorabo@PDeplorabo·
@swmetalosu @NightShiftMD I think you're missing my point - I'm not in any of those camps. I also did quick research and don't think Rand Paul ever said it was as harmless as the common cold, but, again, I don't care if the f'in Easter Bunny is heading up that hearing....I want answers.
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Football The Wars Metal
Football The Wars Metal@swmetalosu·
@PDeplorabo @NightShiftMD What do any of those camps have to with the fact that some people claiming that the virus wasn't really that bad or "not much more than a slight cold " then pivot to wanting to get to the bottom of "all of the deaths the virus caused" when it comes to interrogating Fauci?
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Pierre Deplorabo
Pierre Deplorabo@PDeplorabo·
@Dodo04Mikey2 @NightShiftMD That's right - I just tweeted a reply on the ridiculous number of COVID deaths there were, which means I must think COVID is the common cold and I'm just in it for a gotcha of an 85 year old? Reading comprehension is tough.
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Mikey2
Mikey2@Dodo04Mikey2·
@PDeplorabo @NightShiftMD But it was just the common cold? Btw, do you think that interrogating Fauci is going to uncover the truth about the origins of the virus? Or is it just a show to get retards riled up?
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Pierre Deplorabo
Pierre Deplorabo@PDeplorabo·
@swmetalosu @NightShiftMD Why do you just assume everyone is in lockdown, masks and vax absolutists camp or the opposite? Some of us aren't sheep or nut jobs. I'll put you in the earlier category.
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Football The Wars Metal
Football The Wars Metal@swmetalosu·
@PDeplorabo @NightShiftMD Ahh, I see how that works for you dumbfucks. The vaccine was more dangerous and killed more people than the virus itself did....until it comes to Fauci. THEN your narrative changes. Suddenly...we have to get to the bottom of how HE LET the disease kill so many people. Got it. 🤡
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Pierre Deplorabo
Pierre Deplorabo@PDeplorabo·
I'd also argue that a lot of them also have no clue that there was a preponderance of indisputable evidence that COVID was circulating heavily around Wuhan in Nov 2019, which makes those Dec/Jan wet market swabs completely useless for origin vs amplification. Not to mention, discounts significantly the lineage A & B source claim. The only major thing left from their circumstantial evidence after that was that "it was not perfect enough" - of course when done on the cheap it wouldn't be.
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The Seeker
The Seeker@TheSeeker268·
Plenty of people who lean toward zoonosis aren't paying attention to the WIV/EcoHealth grants, reports, and theses that have surfaced in the last 6 years. I'm pretty sure most of those weighing in haven't even read them.
Alina Chan@Ayjchan

There is a misperception that a natural origin of Covid is supported by science while a lab origin is only speculation. Both are only supported by circumstantial evidence. The lab leak theory is also built on scientific docs, including grants, reports, theses & papers.

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Pierre Deplorabo
Pierre Deplorabo@PDeplorabo·
@blink64 Two things can be wrong at the same time. The policy was awful and did distort. His framing of the seasonal cliff drop in March as a result is also wrong.
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polyploidy
polyploidy@blink64·
Do these people realize the US isn’t the only country on Earth? You can easily compare this “drop-off” against countries who had no such reimbursement policy.
Justin Hart@justin_hart

🤔 funny how hospitalization deaths from Covid dropped off a cliff in March 2022. I'm sure it was a coincidence that March 22, 2022, was the final submission period for hospitals to get reimbursement for uninsured and underinsured individuals from HHRS. The government shut down the most profitable parts of their businesses - a number of hospitals didn't survive - those that did probably had administrators who tried to get every dollar of reimbursement they could. It was nothing nefarious, but many of them had a very wide latitude of counting deaths.

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Pierre Deplorabo
Pierre Deplorabo@PDeplorabo·
@mtaibbi The real key is that the fraud was in the margins for all involved - whether it be the inflated appraisals, the lack of documentation to support numbers of the debtor, the bond rating agencies, the gov't itself, etc. Not a ton to indict, but plenty to bail out.
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Matt Taibbi
Matt Taibbi@mtaibbi·
I wish I’d known you then! I was just starting on the subject and didn’t know a thing about MBS
intellivision@intellivisi0x

@mtaibbi Really. I was at Bear Stearns in 2007 when their two hedge funds blew up and a guy on the team told me "Looks like there was a lot of fraud in underwriting." 🤣

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Emily Paige Ballou
Emily Paige Ballou@epballou·
But it did slow airborne spread of Covid. And I say this as someone who loathed the masking requirements. It did. slow/stop airborne spread of Covid. NYC drove our transmission rates into the ground in the spring/summer of 2020 just as the rest of the country's exploded.
Not a Good Jewish Girl✡️@estherzelda0514

I've written about this before, but one thing about masking is that, even if we accept that it did nothing to do slow or stop airborne spread of Covid, it obviously did something, and that was keep people from getting the flu and out of hospitals while they were being overrun with Covid cases. I feel the same way about masks as I do vaccination. Much of the complaining just seems like oppositional defiant toddlers that find masks annoying or needles scary. They have all this rhetoric about RNA and nonverbal communication, but I really don't believe they actually care about those things. I fundamentally disrespect their opinions because they're not even honest about why they hate masks and vaccines so much.

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Pierre Deplorabo
Pierre Deplorabo@PDeplorabo·
The amzing jujitsu about that specific comment is that in order to take it back, you have to all of the sudden gain more, not less confidence in the fact that the targeted swabs collected in Jan 2020 and provided by China, which otherwise refuses to cooperate with any origin investigation, which were from Dec sits in a vaccum and ignore the preponderance of undisputable eveidence that the virus was spreading rapidly in Nov 2019. I.e. if the virus was already all over the city, the data means nothing, inlcuding the lineage A & B data. This is 2/3rds of the circumstantial evidence of natural origin.
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Michael Shermer
Michael Shermer@michaelshermer·
“now we know the market was not the source, it was the amplifier” —Anthony Fauci, January 26, 2020 For years I gave the benefit of the doubt to Fauci & others that they erred on the side of caution (Precautionary Principle) rather than they lied to us. I'm sorry to say that the latter is true on masks, school/business closures, social distancing & even what, exactly, the vaccine can and cannot do. We will be paying the price for these lies for decades to come, especially when the next pandemic hits and no one believes what scientists and medical experts recommend. @geraldposner analysis nails it: open.substack.com/pub/geraldposn…
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