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@PisoConspiracy

Blocked by James Lindsay and that homo derek guy. Not legal advice.

New York, NY Katılım Mart 2023
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Birthright citizenship oral arg. is April 1. Decision likely in June. IMO the likely best case for Trump is a ruling that children of illegal aliens are not citizens if also citizens of the parent country by blood, but those born to legal residents are. Even this is a high bar.
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When the parties in Wong Kim Ark (birthright citizenship) were before the Court, the solicitor gen for the US argued that int’l law, specifically Roman Law (citizen from father’s blood), applies, as English common law concerned fealty to the king as a subject rather than citizen.

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🇪🇺 Codex Cinnabari@codexcinnabari·
You aren't even a democracy anymore, Trump does whatever he wants with the lowest approval rate in the history of any president, and you guys are praying to God ICE doesn't gun you down in the street when you go to pick up your food stamps. Don't worry about us, we're still better than you are.
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The Mad Ox
The Mad Ox@TheRealMadOx·
Can you imagine being a European soldier right now and realizing your country would “do the math” to see if you were worth rescuing? It’s no wonder they need Americas men to protect them.
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I actually agree with this general principle. I’d take it a step further: you should have at least served in the military to run for Congress. Maybe we should have even more requirements. An American cursus honorum type of thing.
Chief Nerd@TheChiefNerd

THEO VON: “During the Roman Empire, a lot of the politicians also had to fight on the battlefield.” JAKE PAUL: “I think you're right … Trump should be on the front lines.” THEO VON: “Or Barron…”

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Jay Palmer
Jay Palmer@palmer5309·
@PisoConspiracy @BlakeKresses @JohnDoyle Right, I said he was right about that being the meaning of "subject to be jurisdiction thereof" to the frames. Where he's wrong is that Allegience has a specific historic and legal meaning which affirms birthright citizenship, whereas he is using a colloquial definition.
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Blake Kresses
Blake Kresses@BlakeKresses·
John Doyle explains how the 14th Amendment DOES NOT include "birthright citizenship" for foreign illegal aliens. @JohnDoyle
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Jay Palmer@palmer5309·
@BlakeKresses @JohnDoyle He's right that "subject to the Jurisdiction thereof" meant complete Jurisdiction and owing the government full allegience. But here's where he fails.....he didn't look up the meaning of Allegiance....which is not the way we use it colloquially.
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Libs of TikTok@libsoftiktok·
WOW. Senator Harry Reid, a DEMOCRAT, introduced a bill in 1993 to END birthright citizenship for illegal aliens. But if Trump wants to do it, Democrats call it "rAcIsT"
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Jona
Jona@NickWilde6177·
@end_near68222 @libsoftiktok making it so you must have an American parent to be American yourself is in fact racist. if you are born here, you should be American. quite literally a nation of immigrants
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Why am I here
Why am I here@OldSaltSouth·
@commandersamrat @JesseKellyDC Oh boo hoo. Fucking incest is your national trademark. Have the day you deserve street pooper. And eat a steak-maybe you won’t be so insecure and stupid.
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Zuki
Zuki@zuki_2024·
“I’m a WASP. I don’t wanna be flattered by you. It’s kinda weirdly insulting you even like me. It’s kinda like that question of ‘Does the Mona Lisa get uglier if more and more ugly people look at it?’ and I think the answer is yes.” ~ @RichardBSpencer
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@PubWanghaf 14A was obviously intended to provide citizenship to surrogate babies whose fathers’ sperm was flown across the pacific to impregnate some random woman in California under contract.
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Enoch Burke
Enoch Burke@EnochBurke·
BREAKING: Enoch Burke’s mother and sister arrested and jailed Martina and Ammi Burke were arrested by Gardaí today at Castlerea Prison after visiting jailed schoolteacher Enoch Burke, their son and brother. Judge Brian Cregan sentenced them to two weeks in prison after they spoke out against his lies and unlawful actions in the case of Enoch Burke. Martina and Ammi Burke had been teaching in Castlebar this morning before travelling to Castlerea for their scheduled visit at 2.15pm. As they left the prison after concluding the visit, Gardaí were waiting outside to arrest them. Lies have been told from the bench since September 2022 when Enoch Burke was first taken from his teaching post at Wilson’s Hospital School and thrown into a jail cell. He refused to call a student by a new name and the “they” pronoun. He was subsequently suspended and has now spent over 600 days in prison. Ireland’s church leaders have maintained a treacherous silence on this issue. Archbishops Eamon Martin and John McDowell speak frequently about battlefields far away - Gaza, Ukraine, the Middle East - but are silent on the battlefields in the schools of Ireland, on their own doorstep. Children in the classroom are being educated in every form of sexual perversion. Martina and Ammi Burke have now been sent to Mountjoy Women’s Prison because they refused to be silent in the face of gross injustice from the bench. Parents, rise up and speak out for your sons and your daughters.
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@VDAREJamesK Chief Justice John Marshall: Indians “are of that class who are said by jurists not to be citizens, but perpetual inhabitants with diminutive rights” and an “inferior race of people, without the privileges of citizens, and under perpetual protection…” Johnson v. M’Intosh (1823).
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Kevin DeAnna
Kevin DeAnna@VDAREJamesK·
Indigenous people were not part of the polity and were the "merciless Indian savages" mentioned in the Declaration of Independence. They should be citizens of their tribes (and thus not American citizens) or have their sovereignty stripped. "Native Americans" are white.
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Deb Haaland@DebHaalandNM

This is appalling. Indigenous people are the original inhabitants of this continent and, here in New Mexico, we live that truth every day. The fact that the Solicitor General of the United States would hesitate on our citizenship is outrageous and horrific. He doesn’t understand basic American history or the law, and he has no business holding this position.

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@shipwreckedcrew By issuing executive orders for a SCOTUS ruling, how are we not basically asking the Court to render advisory opinions? That’s essentially what’s happening—though legally I guessss it’s a case or controversy.
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Shipwreckedcrew
Shipwreckedcrew@shipwreckedcrew·
Here is how Grok describes it: "The constitutional avoidance doctrine is a set of self-imposed rules that the U.S. Supreme Court (and federal courts more generally) uses to minimize unnecessary rulings on constitutional questions. The core idea is that courts should interpret the Constitution only when it is a "strict necessity," preferring to resolve cases on narrower, non-constitutional grounds (such as statutory interpretation or procedural issues) whenever possible." Here there is a federal statute -- 8 USC 1401. If the EO violates the statute it is invalid, and the Court should not reach the constitutional question.
Kurt Schlichter@KurtSchlichter

As @shipwreckedcrew correctly observes, there is an obvious way for the Supreme Court to rule against the administration without ruling on exactly what the 14th Amendment means. It can basically say the executive order is ineffective for one of several reasons not having to do with whether birthright citizenship exists or not under the 14th Amendment. Typically, a court is supposed to avoid ruling on a constitutional issue if it can rule on another basis. So the obvious move is that they will say they don’t need to reach the constitutional issue and rule Trump’s executive order ineffective.

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Kurt Schlichter
Kurt Schlichter@KurtSchlichter·
As @shipwreckedcrew correctly observes, there is an obvious way for the Supreme Court to rule against the administration without ruling on exactly what the 14th Amendment means. It can basically say the executive order is ineffective for one of several reasons not having to do with whether birthright citizenship exists or not under the 14th Amendment. Typically, a court is supposed to avoid ruling on a constitutional issue if it can rule on another basis. So the obvious move is that they will say they don’t need to reach the constitutional issue and rule Trump’s executive order ineffective.
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Jacob
Jacob@JacobGonza54704·
@KurtSchlichter @shipwreckedcrew Aren’t they literally supposed to rule on differences of opinion on a constitutional amendment? There hasn’t been a law that’s been passed to justify birthright citizenship, this is a matter of interpretation of the constitution; which is exactly what they should rule on.
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