Psalm 137:9 😬

Miracles dont happen. emerge.org.au/what-is-mecfs/

@LordGrantt @TheresaArueyin1 The Big Bang doesn’t claim the universe came from nothing or even had a beginning,it describes an expansion phase. And you haven’t shown that fine tuning is real rather than just our perspective. If I grant a cause, how are you showing that cause is a conscious being?

@Psalm137_9 @TheresaArueyin1 Things didn't pop out of blue skies. The details and fine tuning of the universe points to a higher being semantically known as God. You can call of what you want. Existence is a proof that something higher exist and by definition the concept God is the closest.

Atheism is a strange thing. Even Satan has never fallen for that lie.

@LordGrantt @TheresaArueyin1 Existence is the thing to be explained, not proof of a specific explanation. You still need to show why existence points to God rather than any other cause. How are you establishing that link?

@Psalm137_9 @TheresaArueyin1 Existence is the evidence of what? If you make a claim substantiate it. If existence isn't a proof? What is existence? Since we wanna answer questions with questions

@LordGrantt @TheresaArueyin1 You’re switching claims. Even if good and evil exist, how does that prove Satan exists? What’s the evidence for that specific claim?

@Psalm137_9 @TheresaArueyin1 This is all semantics and an attempt to reword your question. It's futile. I asked you to show a reason why you believe her belief in the existence of Satan is false and you are asking me same questions 😭 Does good and evil exist?

@LordGrantt @TheresaArueyin1 Pointing at existence isn’t evidence of God, it’s the thing to be explained. How do you show God is the explanation rather than just assuming it?

@Psalm137_9 @TheresaArueyin1 The world. You are an evidence. Your existence. Or did you come as a result of the big bang and evolution?

@LordGrantt @TheresaArueyin1 My basis is lack of evidence. I’m not claiming Satan exists or doesn’t, I’m saying there’s no good reason to believe he does. Why do you think he exists?

@Psalm137_9 @TheresaArueyin1 I'm not trying to convince you. In only asking what's the basis on which you doubt the existence or inexistence of Satan. Is that a tough call

@LordGrantt @TheresaArueyin1 That’s a false binary. I’m not claiming Satan exists or doesn’t, I’m saying you haven’t provided evidence that he does. You’re making the claim, so the burden is on you. What evidence do you have? Im super interested if you can convince me.

@Psalm137_9 @TheresaArueyin1 I only flipped your question back to you. or does Satan not exist? It yes proof. If no, proof.

@LordGrantt @TheresaArueyin1 I don’t know if God exists,that’s the point. I’m not convinced because I haven’t seen sufficient evidence that stands up to scrutiny. I’m open to being convinced, but you haven’t provided any. So what evidence do you have?

@Psalm137_9 @TheresaArueyin1 I have 'conceded' as there cannot be physical evidence to back up spirituality. I am asking you, does God exist?

@LordGrantt @TheresaArueyin1 Calm down one post at a time please. You’re misunderstanding how claims work. I didn’t claim Satan doesn’t exist, I pointed out shes assuming he does. She was making the claim, so the burden is on her/you. What evidence do you have that Satan exists?

@Psalm137_9 @TheresaArueyin1 What independent evidence do you have that Satan doesn't exist? Now that question is tied to your first premise.

@LordGrantt @TheresaArueyin1 I’m not claiming God doesn’t exist, I’m rejecting your claim due to lack of evidence. You’re making the claim, so the burden is on you. Where’s the evidence? If I’m not convinced unicorns exist, do I need to disprove them, or do you need to prove them?

@Psalm137_9 @TheresaArueyin1 Again, if for the sake of argument I concede that a creator doesn't exist. The Concept of God is false. I'm applying the same standards to you. What is your argument against the existence of God Avoid circular reasoning.

@LordGrantt @TheresaArueyin1 You’re shifting the burden instead of supporting your claim. I don’t need evidence against an unsupported claim🤦 you’re the one asserting a creator exists. Why should anyone accept it without evidence? And you still haven’t supported your earlier spiritual claims.

@Psalm137_9 @TheresaArueyin1 I have asked you for your evidence against since it seems like my statement that spirituality cannot be rationalized seem a little problematic for you to deal with. What your evidence against the existence of a creator? It's a simple question

@LordGrantt @TheresaArueyin1 Then you’re admitting you have no way to distinguish your belief as true over other religions or natural explanations. If you want to move to other arguments we can, but the burden is still on you to provide evidence for God, since you’re making the claim.

@Psalm137_9 @TheresaArueyin1 A method? This isn't a scientific experiment requiring some sort of methodology or framework to achieve at truth. I have said time and time again, you cannot rationalize spirituality. What's your proof against the existence of God?

@LordGrantt @TheresaArueyin1 Retrospective reflection explains belief, not truth. What METHOD verifies your conclusion beyond your own perspective? You keep avoiding that key question. Is there a method, or is it just special pleading?

@Psalm137_9 @TheresaArueyin1 To you it's a POSSIBILITY of the other effect of the belief system. To me it's because of the belief system. As a rational being, I can think retrospectively about my past and actions and see a huge difference due to what forms my current source of morality.

@LordGrantt @TheresaArueyin1 People improve, recover, and change their lives in every religion and even without religion. That doesn’t verify the truth of the belief it shows the possible effect of belief itself. How are you separating the cause from your interpretation of it?

@Psalm137_9 @TheresaArueyin1 People with life threatening illness have been healed. I know how my life has improved because I subjected myself to the teachings of the Jesus Christ. Reducing them to anything mentioned above is mere reductionism of an experience that can not be measured by any known metrics

@LordGrantt @TheresaArueyin1 If the only evidence is personal experience, how do you distinguish it from imagination, cultural conditioning, or just brain states producing those experiences?

@Psalm137_9 @TheresaArueyin1 Like I said, waiting for one to use physical evidence to rationalized spirituality is like boiling stone. The only evidence is the personal experience an individual has or you have had.

@LordGrantt @TheresaArueyin1 People in different religions have contradictory spiritual experiences. They can’t all be true, so how are you verifying yours?

@Psalm137_9 @TheresaArueyin1 Spirituality cannot be rationalized by physical evidence. Does that mean spirituality doesn't exist?

@LordGrantt @TheresaArueyin1 You don’t choose beliefs, you’re convinced by evidence. Right now you’re just asserting things. What objective evidence do you have?

@Psalm137_9 @TheresaArueyin1 You want evidence? My village people are there for you to see. You can choose to believe or not. It doesn't invalid the existence of God or the devil.

@LordGrantt @TheresaArueyin1 So more assumptions, no evidence?🤷🏼‍♂️

@Psalm137_9 @TheresaArueyin1 Be like say una no get village people 😂

@DivinelyDesined This only proves that modern DNA replication is complex. It does not prove life was created. You’re assuming the first life needed today’s DNA replication machinery. Modern replication systems are the result of billions of years of evolution, not the starting point.

Proof Life was Created. DNA Replication requires 9 complex nano-machines working together. Without them, DNA can't replicate. If DNA can't replicate, Life can't evolve.

@nyunggai Martyrdom demonstrates sincerity, not truth. You find this in all religions.🤷🏼‍♂️

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