Pythia Cap: Partially Conductive

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Pythia Cap: Partially Conductive

Pythia Cap: Partially Conductive

@PythiaR

Multibillionaire space pirate. CIO of Vader Capital LP. Activist engagements include Jeddha and Alderaan.

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SuspendedCap@ContrarianCurse·
Doesn’t mean that at all. The true break out is if HBM is only able to made by 2 of the 3 big players. But even then, MU would just jam legacy Anyways. All these agreements do is shift the inventory risk. It also emboldens / funds the memory makers to bring on the exact capacity that will kill the cycle. If you are MU seeing Samsung sign these LTAs, well shit, I better do the same and bring on some capacity too before I get left out So they ramp in 27, backed by these LTAs, SCAs whatever. Then demand rolls of some reason. Now you have these LTAs potentially well above spot. 1) fuck 2) ok we will take delivery but now memory is over shipping, and you get an air gap as they pause/digest orders and inventory 3) uhhh im NVDA / AAPL - fuck off, I’m not taking it It’s usually a mix of 2/3
Jukan@jukan05

Did you see this? Hyperscalers are now literally paying upfront prepayments to memory companies! This is it — memory is finally breaking out of the cycle! "Under this arrangement, Big Tech customers would pay large upfront prepayments to Samsung, which would be drawn down if the customer fails to take the agreed volumes within the three-to-five year contract window."

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Evergreen@evrgn11112231·
@PythiaR Sounds like a lot of nothing you should ask it to clarify in more details what it means and explain more clearly without buzz words from first principles.
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Claude with a banger on LTAs and good thoughts that FIDs/buildings of mega projects are basically LTAs with the ground. “When the cost of being wrong on the long side starts to feel less frightening than the cost of being caught short, you’re at the top.”
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taobanker@taobanker·
$tdg has a shitload of debt but most of ya'll aren't ready for that conversation ... hard pass...
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Clapham Guy@Obser1The·
@PythiaR How about the end of 22’ when every $MU customer was using the take or pay contracts as toilet paper?
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Everyone taking about 5 year contracts for memory needs to go study $EAF and let me know how the 5 year contracts they wouldn’t stop talking about at/after the IPO worked out.
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Dennis C@dennisc230·
I love this message from Dave Cote from the JP Morgan Industrials Conference. "Yes, I'd say the one thing I continue to underestimate about investors is their ability to panic. It's really something we're seeing at GPGI now. I just kind of shake my head. We went through the same thing at Vertiv. We still go through it periodically. Oh my God, it's a bubble. Oh my God, Amazon came up with something. Oh my God, there's a China thing. And it's like nobody thinks they just sell and the stock goes down and you look at it and say, okay, well, stupid, but their money, I guess, not much I can do about it. So that just surprises -- continues to surprise me about Vertiv is as well as it's doing right now, there'll be some blip in news at some point that will cause it panic and everybody starts to say, oh my God, it's a bubble, it's a bubble. I've been reading, it's a bubble, I've read it's a bubble. I 've heard it's a bubble, it could be a bubble. And before you know it, it's like the herd just scares itself."
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TheLAPurchaser@TheLAPurchaser·
@PythiaR Not so much this time is different or ends differently. It’s just lasts longer
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Evergreen@evrgn11112231·
@PythiaR @jukan05 They are really great if they are used as justification for building new capacity such that you are guaranteed an up front payback or irr over initial 3-5 year period. But you should expect thereafter anything is possible for highly competitive low marginal cost industries.
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Jukan@jukan05·
Did you see this? Hyperscalers are now literally paying upfront prepayments to memory companies! This is it — memory is finally breaking out of the cycle! "Under this arrangement, Big Tech customers would pay large upfront prepayments to Samsung, which would be drawn down if the customer fails to take the agreed volumes within the three-to-five year contract window."
Jukan@jukan05

BIG: Samsung Pursues Long-Term Supply 'Lock-In' with Google and Microsoft… A New Memory Paradigm Emerges Samsung Electronics is reportedly in talks to establish long-term supply agreements (LTAs) with Google and Microsoft. While various contract structures are under discussion, the most likely arrangement is one where large volumes are committed over an extended period with pricing remaining variable. If finalized, this would mark the first binding long-term supply contract in the industry's history — a significant historical inflection point. ◆ Big Tech Gets Desperate, Seeks Long-Term Supply Commitments According to industry sources on the 20th, Samsung Electronics has recently been in negotiations with Google and Microsoft over long-term supply contracts. As memory has emerged as a critical bottleneck for AI data center buildouts, major tech companies are racing to secure commitments from Korean memory makers. Despite concerns over an AI bubble, U.S. hyperscalers have continued — and even accelerated — their capital expenditure programs, exacerbating memory supply shortages. Commodity DRAM prices have surged to the point of rivaling HBM margins, prompting Big Tech to pursue LTAs with memory manufacturers in order to secure stable supply. The exact structure of the contracts remains under discussion, but the most likely format involves fixed volume commitments with pricing linked to spot market rates. Under this arrangement, Big Tech customers would pay large upfront prepayments to Samsung, which would be drawn down if the customer fails to take the agreed volumes within the three-to-five year contract window. However, pricing would remain tied to spot prices, adjusting upward or downward if spot prices move beyond a defined range. Memory semiconductor pricing is typically divided into spot prices and contract prices. Spot prices are determined daily by immediate supply and demand in B2C markets such as distributors and small-to-medium PC assemblers. Contract prices, on the other hand, serve as the benchmark for large-scale supply deals between manufacturers like Samsung Electronics and SK Hynix and major global firms such as Apple and Amazon. Under this type of structure, Samsung would gain long-term demand visibility, enabling it to accelerate capacity expansion while avoiding inventory buildup — thereby preventing the steep price declines seen in past cycles. "This long-term supply agreement is essentially a green light to expand capacity," said one industry official. "By committing to large volumes over an extended period, manufacturers will be able to invest with confidence." Micron is also inking long-term supply agreements. In its fiscal Q2 2026 earnings call, Micron disclosed that it had "signed its first-ever five-year Strategic Customer Agreement (SCA)." SK Hynix is also said to have already reached LTAs with select customers, and it is expected that memory manufacturers will have concluded agreements with all major hyperscalers by mid-year. In response, a Samsung Electronics representative said, "We are unable to confirm details related to specific customers," while adding, "All major customers are currently requesting large volumes of memory." ◆ "This Time Is Different" — Prepayment First, Supply Later The significance of these contracts lies in the potential paradigm shift they represent for the memory industry. Historically, the sector has been plagued by periodic down-cycles driven by the mismatch between large-scale capacity additions and fluctuating demand. Long-term supply agreements, however, would provide more than three years of demand visibility, allowing companies to invest with confidence and maintaining margins at reasonable levels by preventing dramatic price declines. The defining feature of this round of LTAs is their enforceability. While long-term contracts were attempted around 2019, they carried no binding force — customers could cancel orders at will. This year's agreements, by contrast, enforce commitment through large upfront prepayments. "My understanding is that Samsung is in discussions to receive over $10 billion in prepayments from Microsoft, with the prepayment balance drawn down if Microsoft fails to take the agreed volumes," said another industry source. The successful conclusion of LTAs is expected to drive further expansion of Samsung's investment plans. With demand visibility materially improved, there is little reason to hesitate on capex. Micron, for its part, has already announced plans to invest over $25 billion in fiscal 2026 — nearly double the $13.8 billion invested the prior year. At Samsung's annual general meeting on the 18th, Vice Chairman and CEO Jeon Young-hyun stated: "For the semiconductor division, it is critically important to minimize uncertainty in our medium-to-long-term business and maintain a healthy supply-demand balance in memory. By securing long-term supply through multi-year agreements, both our customers and ourselves can enhance predictable business stability and visibility."

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Not all with 3-5 year contracts but all of them had various parties locking up into LTAs which either blew up or marked the top. I’m also mindful of the capital cycle dynamic: cycles are born with a demand narrative and die because of supply additions. Every time the story is “you just don’t appreciate the demand strength” and the reason the cycle dies is supply is way more elastic than people think. It’s never different but every time people say this time is different. Maybe it’s different with AI but… the base rate on that bet is extremely poor.
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@TheLAPurchaser Graphite electrodes Memory Container & dry bulk shipping Lithium Solar polysilicon Offshore drilling Asian Refiners post Russia invasion There’s probably some others in individual commodities when stuff gets tight.
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chatSBC
chatSBC@chat_SBC·
this post getting lots of hate, but he is not wrong implicit in high multiples for non-hypergrowth "compounder" businesses is durability of ROIC/CAP - based on five forces, non-cyclicality, asset-liteness - and smart inst investors realized that high PGR and low WACC mathematically meant these businesses were under-priced at almost any multiple as long as moat intact that assumption will be likely be correct in the LT (for many of these) but there is a pullback in capital that thinks this way (some of it from flows, others from AI creating terminal worries) so the stocks trade same bc predicated on same meta
Mojo@MrMojoRisinX

Final answer: It's the same stock. MSFT/AMZN/V/MA/FICO/SPGI/JPM/BAC/HUM/UNH/TMO/DHR/DPZ/CMG all share nearly identical factor profiles of growth, momentum, quality, capital allocation discipline, institutional shareholder bases, et al.

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TheLAPurchaser@TheLAPurchaser·
Help educate a dumb generalist
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Evergreen@evrgn11112231·
@jukan05 LTAs don’t solve this. See lagging edge / analog post Covid.
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@chat_SBC But I think that’s the pushback. Conceptually okay yes WACC/ROIC. But the underlying drivers are vastly different & the stocks aren’t even that highly correlated across sectors? They’re the same stock *right now* but that doesn’t mean they’re the same stock.
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chatSBC@chat_SBC·
@PythiaR JPM BAC don’t fit the other names really. and AMZN MSFT obv capex intensive. But overall pt still stand
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