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@Haroun1095 @OmarRiad695358 @djajwj_12js @muslimorthodoxy Before you become a christian and get baptised you must know the faith that you are joining thats why faith with christ actually means something, a relationship with god and not a robotic act of prayer which is what jesus actually said not to do.
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@Restore_1_ @OmarRiad695358 @djajwj_12js @muslimorthodoxy lol want me to send you a compilation of the amount of shahadas from Christian’s I’ve seen in the past month alone?
Christianity has too many holes in theology the more you look into textual criticism the Bible was obviously changed and distorted. Developed theology over time
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@Haroun1095 @OmarRiad695358 @djajwj_12js @muslimorthodoxy Saying the shahada means nothing because you dont need to know anything about islam to join it, most converts to islam leave the religio. Within 3 years once they actually figure out the truth and look into it
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@Haroun1095 @OmarRiad695358 @djajwj_12js @muslimorthodoxy You are accusing western historians of bias, which is completely false lol. Islamic historians in islamic countries would be thrown off a roof if they declared the quran to be false or hadith to be unreliable.
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@Restore_1_ @OmarRiad695358 @djajwj_12js @muslimorthodoxy So if I show you scholars who says the biases of western scholars is the reason why they oppose hadiths then what? Projecting a view onto a methodology of preservation/transmission which your own bible would fail at in manuscripts alone makes sense why there’s this hypocrisy lol.
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@Haroun1095 @OmarRiad695358 @djajwj_12js @muslimorthodoxy I get that christians leave their faith, no christian turns to islam for any good reason so i know your lying lol
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@Restore_1_ @OmarRiad695358 @djajwj_12js @muslimorthodoxy Now you are shifting lol born and raised American once was Christian now I’m not. What’s your point?
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@Haroun1095 @OmarRiad695358 @djajwj_12js @muslimorthodoxy No credible historian says that the hadith are or could be reliable, they were written in 800+ a.d. your chain of transmission is nothing more than a chinese whisper and theres always a hadith to contradict any other 😂 islam is a joke
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@Restore_1_ @OmarRiad695358 @djajwj_12js @muslimorthodoxy Lmaoo yet when we bring up our chain of transmission your argument falls flat on its face. What scholars says we have no chain of transmission? Where’s your proven chain of transmission of the Bible?
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@Haroun1095 @OmarRiad695358 @djajwj_12js @muslimorthodoxy Bullshit you dont even know what really happend lol, none of them agreed that the qiran was corrrct they all differred on the amount of chapters needed in the quran
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@Restore_1_ @OmarRiad695358 @djajwj_12js @muslimorthodoxy When they all came together they agreed this was the Quran and if anyone made a mistake there were already a large amount of people who memorized it and would have corrected it if that was the case. Yet we don’t find any evidence of that at all 114 is the correct number
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@Haroun1095 @OmarRiad695358 @djajwj_12js @muslimorthodoxy Your in the usa, i sure hope u are culturally an american
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@Restore_1_ @OmarRiad695358 @djajwj_12js @muslimorthodoxy The companions came together and agreed on the compilation. Uthman made the decision on compiling and how it needed to be based off of Hafsa Quran. You are referring to the so called missing chapters lol why don’t you pull up the full Hadith that talks about why this happened?
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@Haroun1095 @OmarRiad695358 @djajwj_12js @muslimorthodoxy Scream god. Chimp out. Nobody cares and everyone is done, christianity has stood against challenge for 2000 years, islam has only had to answer for what 30 years? Its already dying lol
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@Restore_1_ @OmarRiad695358 @djajwj_12js @muslimorthodoxy You quite literally don’t even know who authored the Gospels? The names of them were attributed later lol. Plus the multitude of errors additions and redactions are numerous within the bible and the manuscripts.
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@Haroun1095 @OmarRiad695358 @djajwj_12js @muslimorthodoxy Both the old and new testament are the most historically reliable texts on earth because of their textual reliability. Lol
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@Restore_1_ @OmarRiad695358 @djajwj_12js @muslimorthodoxy You have yet to prove otherwise your bibles compilation and preservation has nothing on the Quran. Took you guys centuries to compile and then agree on what should be included thus why you have different canons. What’s your compilation method and preservation? Who wrote the books
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@Haroun1095 @OmarRiad695358 @djajwj_12js @muslimorthodoxy Uthman decided what the quran became, they had the 4 guys put it together i totally agree, but they didnt agree that it was even correct, how many chapters did they all agree on?
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@Restore_1_ @OmarRiad695358 @djajwj_12js @muslimorthodoxy Yet in those copies they are identical to what we have today. What was burned was personal Qurans that had mistakes or notes in them. Each verse had at least 2 witnesses for them. Your own scholars praise this preservation method
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@Haroun1095 @OmarRiad695358 @djajwj_12js @muslimorthodoxy Personal qurans? Your talking about inscriptions on pieces of bones and animal skins, none of this was full qurans, these desert dwellers had a few words etched into bones at a time. There was no full quran.
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@IjazTheTrini @youwldntgetit So the injil is where? Aparently it couldnt be destroyed and was given to the biggest sect of christianity so where is it?
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@youwldntgetit Your scriptures aren't what God sent, it's that simple.
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@IjazTheTrini I would love to meet you in person, please let me know if you ever come to the uk so i can learn about the quran
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In Christianity:
God the Holy Spirit CANNOT beget a child ❌
3.2 billion men in the world CAN beget a son today ✅
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes
GodLogic_GL@GodLogic_GL
In Islam: Allah CAN'T have a son without a spouse❌ Mary CAN have a son without a spouse ✅ Mary is more powerful than Allah in Islam.
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@Kryptotajeer Jesus drank wine and did not rape children, whats the worse of the two?
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@Restore_1_ @OmarRiad695358 @djajwj_12js @muslimorthodoxy manuscripts of the Quran existed prior to Uthman that Hafsa had.
Uthman standardized the Quran and burned any personal copies that contained notes etc to avoid confusion.
Then sent copies out with those who memorized the Quran to the surrounding nations.
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@Haroun1095 @OmarRiad695358 @djajwj_12js @muslimorthodoxy Those were the people who compiled the passages of the quran which uthman found scatterd around the islamic world of that time. They are not authors, nor did any of them agree that the quran was compiled correctly.
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@Restore_1_ @OmarRiad695358 @djajwj_12js @muslimorthodoxy The Quran was authored by Allah and written by the companions. Orally transmitted by the prophet to in which these are who compiled it
Zaid ibn Thabit, Abdullah ibn Zubair, Said bin Al-Aas and ʿAbd al-Raḥmān b. al-Ḥārith
Now tell me who wrote and compiled the bible.
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@Haroun1095 @OmarRiad695358 @djajwj_12js @muslimorthodoxy Who wrote the quran? Before you talk about annonymous, give me the name of the person who wrote the quran you idiot 😂
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@Restore_1_ @OmarRiad695358 @djajwj_12js @muslimorthodoxy Go ahead and provide the evidence. I left Christianity because it’s false I don’t plan to return lol. We have our traditions from companions and scholars while you have stuff from anonymous writers and no writings from the disciples.
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