Here is the order of worship for Providence OPC Tulsa on 3/29. For our evening service, Westminster OPC in Bartlesville will host us for a joint worship service at 5:00 p.m.
providencetulsa.org/bulletins/lord…
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Jim Stevenson
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Jim Stevenson
@RevJimOPC
Reformed. Presbyterian. Unashamedly Confessional. Pastor of Providence OPC
Tulsa, OK Katılım Ekim 2012
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@WVPitt I can assure you, when thinking of the folks at Berith Press, petty and disingenuous are not words that come to mind to characterize them.
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It's really a shame thar Berith has decided to take this route and be not only petty, but disingenuous about the OP.
Social media moves people to react in ways that prudence dictates they should not.
Berith Press@BerithPress
It would horrify me to think anyone would learn the Shorter Catechism to "peacock" or show off their Latin. This book was designed specifically because children, already familiar with the Shorter Catechism, would have something (a) familiar & (b) edifying with which to study Latin. I added other ecumenical creeds, and the Ten Commandments too. I annotated the words with a numbering system to save having to look in the dictionary, and to give students a chance to learn Latin intuitively, with facing pages. Latin helps students understand English better, it helps you in fields such as medicine, and there is lots of great literature in Latin that realistically will not all be translated. For theological studies, of course it is very helpful. I believe it's very important to wear your learning lightly, as they say, and I would much rather someone learn his catechism in English and be regenerate than pridefully "peacock"; but this is a false dichotomy and very far from the intention of this book, which is to help parents teach their children, and learn some Latin themselves.
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Dr. Wolfe, what does it mean that you do not consider @spanglermt a friend? You sound like a teenage girl. If you do not think we need a Protestant Hitler, than just say that and move on. You caved to pressure and, in fact, the left will not even be satisfied with this anyways.
You have been sitting on the fence for a long time on several things (Kinism, etc). I'm afraid you just chose the wrong side of the fence. But I still hope that Lord blesses you and continues to show you His word.
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I’ve known Michael for many years. I don’t recall when we first met in person, but we became friends over three years ago. For much of that time, he lived near me. We’ve been to each other's houses. Our families have had dinner together, and our kids have played together. On a few occasions, he volunteered to help me with projects on the property: building a deck, moving felled trees, and other things. His wife is kind. He has good kids. Michael was repeatedly kind to me. I’ve spent more time with him than 99% of his critics, though I haven’t seen him much in the last year or so.
I once said that Michael is a “friend” and “a good man”—-something used against me for nearly a year now. No critic has asked what I meant by it, and my default response is to ignore such people. I was referring to his kindness and generosity to me, and to his concern for my spiritual well-being, which surpassed that of many people in my life.
Mindful of this history, and out of loyalty to a friend, I did not denounce or openly distance myself from Michael as he began to embrace positions that I reject. This came at great personal cost, not only for me but especially for my family. Online agitators and tale-bearers, most of whom are incapable of argument, insinuated that Michael and I are “fellow Nazis,” despite my numerous articles, videos, and books contradicting that claim. I do not expect any session or presbytery to correct these sinful accusations (WLC 144), despite several coming from those vowed to maintain the “peace of the church.”
Michael knows the cost of being associated with him. He knows that anything he says places burdens upon others. I chose to endure them. An elderly man at my previous church—known and well respected in both the OPC and the PCA—encouraged me to remain friends with Michael for his sake, and I did.
But the post below is a turning point for me. It represents a complete disregard for those who bear the costs of any degree of association. When consideration of others goes repeatedly unreciprocated, there comes a breaking point. It begins to look like exploitation. Obviously, “Christian prince” is a term I retrieved from the Protestant tradition, and it immediately recalls my work. Michael had to know that I, yet again, would be dragged into accusations of Naziism, even from those of decent will. He chose words (when there are alternatives) that instantly recall “Stephen Wolfe.” It is an act of betrayal. He has not considered how his actions affect others. He could have easily added, “I know that Stephen Wolfe does not agree with me.” But he did not.
As I’ve said for years now, I have no interest in retrieving Naziism, nor do I want a “Protestant Hitler.” Michael knows this, as I’ve said to him (among others) that revising 1930s German history is unnecessary to critique the “post-war consensus”. I am right-wing, but I am an American. By today’s standards, American history is right-wing, and it contains all the resources for recovering a manly, moral liberty and a Christian society. Anglo-Protestantism, despite its faults, is still the core tradition of America. Our fight is to recover it.
I have a high tolerance for differing opinions. I do not shy away from references to Marx, Nietzsche, Hegel, Heidegger, or “critical theory.” Viewing everything with the good/evil binary, or relying on a set of scary words to categorize intellectual history and various individuals, is unserious. I even use Marx in my MA philosophy thesis. But I would not say that we need a “Protestant Marx” or a “Protestant Heidegger”. We need a George Washington.
Given Michael’s behavior—his disregard for my position and the effects of his actions—I can no longer consider him a friend. But I will not take on a mission to destroy him. I will not toss epithets at him or make quips for spectacle. I simply cannot continue in what I consider an exploitive relationship. I pray that Michael and his lovely family would live well in godliness.
Michael Spangler@spanglermt
"Protestant Hitler" is the right term for the Christian prince we need today. By "Hitler" we name our need for ruthless anti-Judaism and anti-leftism, without which our nation will never be rescued. But by "Protestant" we name our urgent need for solid piety.
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The evening sermon from Providence OPC Tulsa on 3/22 is now available.
Proper Kingdom Building (Mark 1:35-39) sermonaudio.com/sermons/323260…
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The morning sermon from Providence OPC Tulsa on 3/22 is now available.
Christ's Authority (Mark 1:21-34) sermonaudio.com/sermons/322261…
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Here is the order of worship for this Lord's Day, March 22 at Providence OPC Tulsa.
providencetulsa.org/bulletins/lord…
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@spanglermt @PastorAndyWebb You literally just played yourself. Good job.
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@RevJimOPC @PastorAndyWebb You’re talking like a high school girl. Hard to take you seriously.
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Webb contemplates Hitler-posting and returning to England. Would love to see it, they need him.
Andy Webb@PastorAndyWebb
Every Day on X, Michael Spangler further vindicates the decisions of the OPC, ARP, and RPCNA against him and his fellow Spanglerites. Today it's calling for "A Protestant Hitler" to be our ruler, and attacking Reformed Christian Corrie Ten Boom and her family (most of whom died in Nazi Concentration camps) for hiding Jews during the Second World War. Ironically, although they call me a foreigner who will never be an American, I could not have been naturalized as a US Citizen holding to their views, and could be denaturalized and deported if I were posting the Nazi garbage they post and repost online. Romans 16:17! @spanglermt @ket38111 @dugganap68 @ptomer
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@spanglermt @PastorAndyWebb You’ve become soooo delusional. You really have. You need to repent…. of a lot.
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@PastorAndyWebb You’d be liable to justice for aiding the subverters of Christian civilization.
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When Chuck Norris showed up at the feminist rally they made him a sandwich and ironed his shirt.
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@fbraden8 @lovesgoodefood I knew that… I suggested bagels instead of the honey buns.
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@Reformed_1647 @BurkhardtLance Just saw the date… divorce was more recent… only six months ago. Now we know why.
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@Reformed_1647 @BurkhardtLance No. He moved into the PCA a few years ago. Not long after that he announced he was getting divorced. Now this. He called me every name in the book after I called him to repentance as if I’d be phased by it. I taught at-risk youth for 11 years. They did that to me daily.
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@Reformed_1647 @fbraden8 @BurkhardtLance I knew him at GA. Had drinks with others and with him in the off hours.
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@fbraden8 @BurkhardtLance @RevJimOPC I have reason to believe Jim knows Ryan at least through Facebook.
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