@AliTimesTwo @policylaila @ZiaYusufUK Something I would never have considered at 17 myself but now as a 41 year old.... It's pretty fucking gross.
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@Rightwinge84406 @policylaila @ZiaYusufUK And what are you going to do about it if it is a consensual relationship?
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Harvey, I’m the mum of a 17-year-old. I know how vulnerable they are. You say you believed he was over 21. That’s your account. But what I find so disturbing is that you’re still presenting yourself as the victim. No legal argument or historical revision will ever persuade decent people that this is something to defend rather than deeply regret.
Harvey Proctor@KHarveyProctor
Mr Yusuf, For the avoidance of doubt, I pleaded guilty in 1987 to an offence of gross indecency under laws that discriminated against homosexual men. The age of consent was then 21 for gay men & 16 for heterosexuals. Those discriminatory offences no longer exist. Also, the individual who was 17 was ‘wired for sound’ by Robert Maxwell’s paper. He said on the tape he was over 21. Unfortunately, there was a lacuna in the law in 1987 which provided heterosexuals with a defence. If heterosexuals believed those they had sexual relations with were of consensual age, & the jury believed this, then they could find the accused not guilty. No such defence pertained to homosexuals. If the younger person was under 21, the offence was committed. I did not realise this lacuna in the law existed until my lawyer, Sir David Napley, informed me. I then told him immediately I would plead guilty. Parliament has since recognised that these laws were unjust. Under the so-called “Alan Turing law”, people convicted of consensual homosexual offences under repealed legislation can have those convictions disregarded & pardoned as part of righting historic wrongs. Also, what I did was neither gross nor indecent. It was done in private and between consenting adults. I have never hidden any of this. What you are doing is attempting to weaponise a historic conviction under discriminatory laws to discredit me because you disagree with my views, & blind loyalty. That is your choice. My point remains unchanged: politicians should respect the police’s request not to speculate during a live murder investigation. Personal abuse is no answer to a principled argument. You are free to criticise me, & to answer a principled argument with personal abuse & character assassination - however unbecoming - but personal vilification is no substitute for civil debate. Ann Widdecombe believed in decency, free speech & the rule of law - which is why she stood by me and offered me practical, private & public support throughout my ordeals. I rather think she would have expected better.
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@AliTimesTwo @policylaila @ZiaYusufUK Personally? He'd be having his bollocks surgically removed from his throat. We need to seriously look at age discrepancy in these circumstances.
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@AliTimesTwo @policylaila @ZiaYusufUK Ok if ever your 17 year old gets dicked down by a 39 year old come back and talk to me.
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I really have a lot of respect for you, even though on many issues we disagree. But really think this from @ZiaYusufUK and now you towards Harvey Proctor is precisely what Ann would have hated. She believed in retribution and forgiveness, only last year she said to @AndrewGold_ok, "I think we're now a pretty vengeful society. You know, lock them up and throw away the key... It is a very very unforgiving society which doesn't appear now to place the emphasis on redemption as we used to."
At this time much of the output from some in Reform who ought to know better, just highlights how unserious and illprepared you are. Think a well judged silence even for a day or two would help.
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@zarahsultana Top lads. most of us are hoping they finish the job you filthy, verminous, disgraceful piece of shit.
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What about the genocidal Israeli Defence Forces?
Politics UK@PolitlcsUK
🚨 BREAKING: The UK Government has proscribed the IRGC as a terrorist organisation under the new National Security Act
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🚨 BREAKING: The UK Government has proscribed the IRGC as a terrorist organisation under the new National Security Act
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@adamJ13924 @PolitlcsUK I wish they'd get on with this "genocide" quite frankly. God you're all so utterly pathetic.
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@PolitlcsUK But the IDF isnt for murdering at least 80,000 innocent civilians and carrying out a genocide.
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@S_Fleary1 It is absolutely WILD you cannot see the hypocrisy. Born 85, grew up on the north Peckham estate, watched the ramp up in demographic & social change... now you have the audacity to act like its your promised land, like our cities belong to immigrants.
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“It’s gentrifying nicely” is vile!
No regard for families who have been pushed out, local businesses who can no longer afford the rents and the communities who have LIVED there and called Camberwell HOME long before you moved there.
Sam Bowman@s8mb
I recommend Camberwell as a place to move to in London, especially if you're planning on having kids. It's gentrifying nicely but it's still pretty cheap. It's pretty well connected transport-wise and it has some excellent shops, restaurants, pubs and parks - two of the best pubs in London, in fact, and one of the best parks. I see loads of young families around, and I gather the primary schools are good.
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@BasilTheGreat @Sargon_of_Akkad 10 points Basvegas
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@Sargon_of_Akkad My prediction is Farage is going nowhere, he's just using this to change the narrative on the investigation and give the troops some enthusiasm
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Predictions, folks?
Nigel Farage@Nigel_Farage
I will make a statement on my future in public life at 2pm.
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@London_W4 Usually when alone in a pub its because something has pushed me over the edge & my face is reflective of that. No one bothers me.
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If you’re a woman (the old fashioned sort who don’t have a penis) do you feel happy going to a pub by yourself for a drink? Have you ever had any issues sat in a pub having a quiet drink by yourself? I ask because I think many women are too nervous to go by themselves because they think they’ll be treated as looking for a bloke, but I think that they won’t and it’s in their mind. But then again, I’m a bloke so would genuinely like to hear.
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@basedandbougie Well we could actually achieve that without a single white person stepping foot on African soil, just return the hordes of Africans that came to study. With their new highly skilled degrees Africa should be ship shape in no time.
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There is a new trend on TikTok where people are calling for England to recognise Africa.
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It’s Friday and it’s 33 degrees. And the council estates are lively. The paddling pools have appeared from absolutely nowhere. Every front garden has one that’s 80% duct tape and 20% hope. There’s at least six kids in it, one XL bully, and someone’s uncle cooling his Stella cans in the same water. The shirtless blokes have emerged like they’re migrating for summer. White as a packet of Richmond sausages by 9am, bright red by lunchtime, still insisting, “I don’t burn, me.” The smell outside is a fascinating mix of sun cream, Lynx Africa, meat and steak pies, and someone’s wheelie bin that’s been cooking nicely in the heat since Monday. Someone’s bought a £12 fan from B&M and is acting like they’ve installed full air conditioning unit. Meanwhile someone’s nan is sat in the conservatory wearing a cardigan saying, “It’s not that warm.” The local Facebook group’s in meltdown. Half the posts are “Who’s dog is this?” The other half are people moaning about kids playing outside. “Can they not scream?” Karen, it’s the first sunny Friday we’ve had in about eight months. They’re feral now. Accept it. Meanwhile some fellas washing his Corsa with Fairy Liquid while blasting uk garage enough for three postcodes to enjoy. By tonight there’ll be at least two blokes arguing over whose turn it is to buy more packet, someones kid will have lost a set of teeth, and an air ambulance will probably be landing because Dave thought it’d be a good idea to do a backflip off the shed roof into two feet of water.
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@RandyTaylor_USA @FT It actually is thousands upon thousands of people's money. He is a wealth creator. A man who made it so people trapped in their minds could speak to the world once again. We are living in wild times when this man is a villain.
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@FT Elon Musk is an example of capitalism. It is the opposite of communism which you people seem to prefer.. This is his money, not everybody else’s.
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SpaceX's 11% share price boost has made Elon Musk the world's first trillionaire, controlling two of the world's largest companies. ft.trib.al/wHPQ9gw
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@HoodedClaw1974 I'm 41 from Peckham and she's not wrong but we went too far. Its literally that simple. We tipped past the point where it was necessary to bother assimilating. Then there's the illegal immigration.....
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Diversity is good for us all and you need to find another country if you dont like it.
This is what we are up against. 🙄
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@AjaTheEmpress @freddiesayers Thank you. These people think so little of us, they think we just organically created a little girl wielding weapons against innocent bystanders.
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Can I ask why you didn't believe the young girls? What was it about the grown man and the terror in a 12-year-old's voice that made you think the man was the victim?
I'm interested because you're not the only person who did it, in fact people who should absolutely know better did it to and it really really hurt.
Especially since it happened when everybody was talking about the grooming gangs and how those girls were also not believed.
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The brother and sister in the “Sophie of Dundee” incident have been found guilty of aggressing those young girls. I was overly hasty in expressing scepticism about the narrative as it happened. I’ve deleted the tweet and - yes - lesson learned.
bbc.co.uk/news/articles/…
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@JADEDM1X Caroline Flack is dead because of this shit. Do we never learn. Just leave the pile on...
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it’s crazy cause we literally have documented proof of her being difficult to work with while the girls supported her but certain folks will deny it for a narrative that they’re “bullying” her.
JADE tea room ☕️@JADEtearoom
A former celebrity stylist with years of experience working with Little Mix commends Perrie for speaking her truth and verifies Perrie’s claims that Little Mix consistently supported and prioritised Jesy Nelson’s needs
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@PolitlcsUK @e_casalicchio CUT FUCKING WELFARE CUT THE FUCKING TEAT BUT YOU WON'T BECAUSE THEY VOTE FOR YOU YOU UTTER UTTER SCUM OH ITS FUUUUUUCKED
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🚨 NEW: A Treasury source attacks John Healey for resigning as Defence Secretary
"Let's be clear on what John is asking for: cuts to schools and hospitals"
h/t @e_casalicchio
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@andy4makerfield We are burning it to the ground Andy. Your vain grasp at power will mean nothing in the end. Its over... The countries going to burn until you listen to what we have voted for, for over 30 years & its on every one of slimy rape apologist cunts. Just fuck off.
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This time next week, people in Makerfield can vote for hope.
Vote Andy.
Thursday 18 June.
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@Bushra1Shaikh I reported you straight to the police. Its incitement pure and simple. You need to understand not everyone in your audience would be able to interpret this nuance. Nuance you're adding because you know you fucked up.
I do so hope to cross your path someday.
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Remarkable.
A rhetorical question exposing the absurdity of collective blame has generated more outrage in certain right-wing circles than actual people attempting to burn homes down in Belfast.
I wondered what could possibly explain this level of cognitive failure.
Then I realised: many people don't see a Brown Muslim woman as part of the "we" when discussing British society.
They didn't object to the logic of the question. They objected to who was asking it.
Bushra Shaikh@Bushra1Shaikh
Can we burn houses down when a White man tries to kill someone? Asking for a friend.
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Imagine if Restore Britain wins the next election and Keir Starmer is prosecuted for crimes against the British people?
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@PrincessofDevon @AjaTheEmpress Haha 😂 I just doubt the Nonna would stab you.
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@Rightwinge84406 @AjaTheEmpress I’ve beaten Italian grandmothers onto buses on market day, I’m up for the challenge.
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