Ben Spangler

@RonwellQDobbs @PunkLumberJack @CAceTheory @shannonrwatts I am about as anti current administration as any person could possibly be. That’s why I want another party to win

@SPANGLair @PunkLumberJack @CAceTheory @shannonrwatts hardly a strawman when Nazis are literally in the government

Hasan Piker says he'll vote for a third party candidate if the Democratic nominee is Gavin Newsom. Reminder that Piker is not a Democrat, but a millionaire who makes money by fomenting political discord. newsweek.com/hasan-piker-de…

@AbsolutelyMalc1 @CAceTheory @shannonrwatts I LITERALLY did not. I was explaining what she said.

@SPANGLair @CAceTheory @shannonrwatts lol you literally called him a traitor you dumbass

@memegenie44 @CAceTheory @shannonrwatts People with views like piker will never win over Rogan and von types.

@SPANGLair @CAceTheory @shannonrwatts Von and Rogan are becoming disillusioned with trump because of literally the exact rhetoric that critics like piker have been expressing. Watch the clip of them that was circulating on twitter last night. Populists like piker are the ones that win over those folks.

@memegenie44 @CAceTheory @shannonrwatts I disagree. Voters like him are not worth it. They’re never happy. By rejecting people like him, dems will win far more people over like von and Rogan as you mention. And if you weren’t working for Harris then you were working against. Tlaib, jayapal, all of them.

@SPANGLair @CAceTheory @shannonrwatts Even if you think he was ‘working against Harris’ (he wasn’t), you’re going to have to earn voters like that back by ‘28 or dems are gonna lose again. That’s how this works. You can’t just shun them. Same goes with theo von, Joe Rogan, etc.

@PunkLumberJack @CAceTheory @shannonrwatts You’re just so wrong, it’s actually devastating. The thing you don’t realize is you don’t make decisions like that in any other facet of your life. You reserve this backward logic only for politics and Gaza specifically. You make choices every day and weigh pros and cons.

@SPANGLair @CAceTheory @shannonrwatts The thing is, it IS that simple. You don’t have to vote for someone who supports a genocide. I sure won’t, and if that makes me a traitor in your eyes so be it

@memegenie44 @CAceTheory @shannonrwatts This is the first I’ve heard that and I’m open to that idea as explanation. I will do more research to see if there’s other stuff because it does seem very staged. But will still never forgive him for working against Harris

@SPANGLair @CAceTheory @shannonrwatts According to him, this series was a satire on PUA content from the early 2010s. That seems to track considering it was on the Young Turks (a left wing network), and it is insanely over the top.

@PunkLumberJack @CAceTheory @shannonrwatts Ok you’re obviously not a good faith conversationalist here. Just spouting the same leftist talking points instead of productive discussion. CAceTheory is willing to have good debate. “Genocide, homeless” as if the world is just that simple. Take care.

@SPANGLair @CAceTheory @shannonrwatts Oh my bad, I thought destroying homeless camps and supporting genocide would be against liberal values. Thank you for correcting me

@PunkLumberJack @CAceTheory @shannonrwatts First of all, I did not call him a traitor. I was explaining what the OP was saying which was clear. And Gavin Newsom is not against liberal values!! And you’re the one that brought up capitalism as a pejorative like leftists always do. I didn’t bring it up.

@SPANGLair @CAceTheory @shannonrwatts Nobody said anything about it being perfect, so who’s creating the straw man? You’re calling Hasan a traitor for not voting for Democrats because it’s “working against liberal values” but you just said you’d vote for a person who is against “liberal values”

@PunkLumberJack @CAceTheory @shannonrwatts You're already creating fallacies and strawmans? It's a general rule. It would not apply to Nazis, no. I don't have the characters to give you every caveat. And no liberal would ever say capitalism is perfect by any means. Another strawman.

@SPANGLair @CAceTheory @shannonrwatts “Respect all humans equally” does that include Nazis? Liberals support capitalism which is systemically unequal

@CAceTheory @PunkLumberJack @shannonrwatts I should be clear that Newsom is at the bottom of my preferred candidate list. I never liked him. But if he's the nominee against Vance or whoever else, I will vote for him.

@SPANGLair @PunkLumberJack @shannonrwatts By these standards Newsom is the traitor

@CAceTheory @shannonrwatts I was not a close follower of his but I did think he was a good influence. My opinion of his history is it's clear to me he likely didn't even espouse those views... he was just trying to get big. I find that worse than actually having those views and then having a true change.

@SPANGLair @shannonrwatts This strikes me as someone who has left behind edgy and misogynistic humor in favor of something that doesn't do as much damage. A lot of these come off as sarcastic, too. If you were a fan at one point, you'd know he's pretty open about his growth in this regard

@PunkLumberJack @CAceTheory @shannonrwatts I mean... I don't have a list. But I would say off the top of my head: humility, respect all humans equally, respect other species to every extent possible, support and advocate for minimal suffering, don't be petty, scientific method.... There are many more

@SPANGLair @CAceTheory @shannonrwatts What are liberal values?

@CAceTheory @shannonrwatts x.com/BraedenSorbo/s… I've seen several clips but I think this one puts a bunch together. To be clear, I was a fan of his until more recently he's been actively working against Democrats and seeing that he had a previous life trying to make it as a right-wing douche bro

@SPANGLair @shannonrwatts If someone is a traitor, it means they betrayed something or someone Do you have an example of his early work that isn't leftist?

@kevinbradley96 @CAceTheory @shannonrwatts I'm worried you're gonna have something valuable to say in this conversation at some point.

@SPANGLair @CAceTheory @shannonrwatts I’m worried about you, Ben. You seem unhinged and angry at the wrong people. Friends might help you.

@kevinbradley96 @CAceTheory @shannonrwatts What do you have to do with this conversation at all? Why are you even responding? What does making friends have to do with any of this? Do you have anything substantive to add to this discussion? No? Then stfu

@SPANGLair @CAceTheory @shannonrwatts I think you should get off Twitter and complain less about leftists, and do more volunteer work and organizing. Or maybe just make some friends. Thats a great place to start!

@CAceTheory @shannonrwatts I didn't say he's betraying. He can't betray liberals if he's not a liberal. And I don't believe he's liberal. If you look at his history, he tried all different online personas to try and build an audience and finally found one that worked. His older stuff is disgusting.

@SPANGLair @shannonrwatts Wait, so is he not a liberal or is he betraying liberals? If he's betraying liberals, wouldn't that imply that he at least claims to be one?

@kevinbradley96 @CAceTheory @shannonrwatts Does what's happening right now and what's at stake make you feel like we should calm the fuck down? We are still TOO calm. Now is not the time for calm. Get off Twitter if you can't handle it

@SPANGLair @CAceTheory @shannonrwatts Calm the fuck down, Ben.

@austinahlman That is not a swing voter. That's a lying hypocrite who leverages social signaling to boost clicks and attention.

This is called a swing voter. I think successful political parties should try to court them.

@CAceTheory @shannonrwatts She's saying that he's a traitor for not voting for a Democrat if it's Newsom, you fucking idiot. You know what she's fucking saying. He is not a liberal and actively works against liberal values.

@shannonrwatts A lot of people won't. That's the case every election. I still don't understand what you're trying to say

@liamigtbh @LITizenJeff @JinguUniversity If he thinks Metra isn't safe he should live in an isolated, padded room for the rest of his life.

@LITizenJeff @JinguUniversity Metra is completely safe. If you ever feel uncomfortable by something just tell a conductor. I’ve seen them kick people off the train for talking too loud. The L can get dicey and I’ve personally had bad experiences everytime I take it outside of rush hour.

I've always wondered about this. People say Japan's train network is excellent, but how do businessmen commute in big American cities like Chicago? Surely there isn't a parking lot in the basement of this building, is there?