Senya

First of all, a huge thank you to you. People like you will always have Ukraine's gratitude and respect. And to the Poles posting below, I have two questions. I'm Ukrainian and I'm cooking this dish right now. I've been making it for years simply because I like it. Who among you can name it without Google or AI? Based on this fact alone, how much of a "Banderite" and a "Nazi" am I in your understanding?

No cóż, jeśli wszyscy Ukraińcy, którzy otrzymali odznaczenia od Polski, zwrócą je, to nie będzie już żadnych pytań do Ukrainy?! Jestem Polakiem walczącym za Ukrainę. Jestem dumny ze swoich odznaczeń przyznanych przez Ukrainę i rozumiem, że nikt mi ich nie odbierze.

Calling Zelensky or Ukraine "Nazi" does not make it a fact. Neither the UPA, nor Stepan Bandera, nor the OUN were ever officially designated as Nazi organizations by any international court or tribunal, including Nuremberg. The term "genocide" is likewise the official position of the Polish state, not a finding of an international court. And just as a reminder: Ukraine was represented as a separate founding member of the United Nations in 1945, unlike Poland, which joined later.

@krzychulek Dlaczego odebrał? Bo Zelenski czci nazizm i ludobójstwo na polskich kobietach oraz dzieciach. My w Polsce brzydzimy się nazizmem

Nawrocki wykluczył właśnie Polskę z decydowania o przyszłości regionu i także swojej własnej. Nikt nie będzie zapraszał do rozmów o Ukrainie i regionie kogoś kto nie jest sojusznikiem Ukrainy - będą decydować Niemcy, Francuzi, Brytyjczycy. Wykluczył nas z kontraktów na odbudowę Ukrainy, wykluczył nas z wymiany militarnych technologii z Ukrainą, wykluczył nas z grona państw poważnych, bo takich głupich gestów nie robi się w czasie wojny. W czyim interesie to wszystko zrobił?

"Genocide" is the official position of the Polish state, but it has never been established by any international court or tribunal. Likewise, the figures of approximately 100,000 Polish victims and 10,000-20,000 Ukrainian victims killed by Polish forces are historical estimates and demographic reconstructions rather than fully documented counts of identified victims. But unlike Poland, Ukraine has never tried to tell Poles what they must call these events or whom they may honour in their own country.

@SavchenkoReview The UPA genocide - the Volhynia Massacre refers to the systematic ethnic cleansing and mass extermination of approximately 100,000 ethnic Poles. It was committed between 1943 -1945 by the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN-B) and the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA)

🇺🇦🇵🇱👀 Deputy Head of OP Ihor Zhovkva also refused his Polish award - the Cavalry Cross of the Order of Merit of the Republic of Poland

@MaciejRutk73995 @sumlenny Of course, an expert. Let's do a little test: I'm Ukrainian and I'm cooking this dish right now. Can you guess what it is without Google or AI? And yet you reduce us to "Banderites."

@Senya_ho @sumlenny Really? You seem to be an expert.

I am not a historian and can go wrong but from what I know, Poland has never revoked White Eagle orders of: Catherine II, butcher and enslaver of Poland; Hitler's Foreign Minister von Ribbentrop; Italy's Fascist dictator Mussolini; Hungarian Fascist leader Horthy. But Zelensky.

🇺🇦🇪🇸 The National Association of the Defense Industry of Ukraine and the Spanish company Escribano Mechanical & Engineering have signed an agreement on cooperation in the field of high-precision weapons. 🇺🇦🇪🇪 Ukrainian company Frontline Robotics and Estonian Milrem Robotics signed a memorandum of understanding on the joint development of robotic systems to counter drones at the Eurosatory international exhibition.

Head of Ukraine's Presidential Office Budanov also declined Poland's Golden Officer's Cross of the Order "For Merit," and Ukraine's ambassador to Poland Bodnar declined his own award, the Knight's Cross of the Order "For Merit to the Republic of Poland."

Since the 1997 Joint Declaration on Understanding and Unity, Ukrainian presidents and officials have repeatedly sought reconciliation with Poland: President Kuchma in 2003, President Yushchenko's reconciliation initiatives in 2006, President Poroshenko's "We forgive and ask for forgiveness" in 2014 and again in 2016, the 2016 open letter signed by former presidents Kravchuk and Yushchenko asking forgiveness for crimes and wrongs committed, and Speaker Stefanchuk's expression of sympathy and call for reconciliation in 2023. How many more times does Ukraine have to express regret, seek forgiveness and pursue reconciliation before it is considered enough? And Ukraine remains profoundly grateful to the Polish people for both their support at the beginning of the full-scale war and the support they continue to provide today.

@BonkGearMetal @nexta_polska Ciężko jest powiedzieć zwykłe "przepraszam" za to co robili wasi dziadowie ? My nie chcemy z wami wojować bo jakbyś nie zauważył to wam pomagamy.Budujmy prawdziwie i zdrowe relacje na wzięciu na klatę co się stało i tyle i aż tyle jak widać dla Was.Szanuje chłopaków na froncie!

Polska domaga się miejsca przy stole negocjacyjnym z Rosją, w przeciwnym razie nie uzna żadnych porozumień — powiedział premier Tusk. Premier Polski oświadczył, że Warszawa powinna bezpośrednio uczestniczyć w wszelkich negocjacjach o zawieszeniu broni lub przyszłym pokoju między Ukrainą a Rosją. Według niego takie formaty jak E3 czy E5 nie mogą uzurpować sobie prawa do wypowiadania się w imieniu całej Unii Europejskiej. Tusk podkreślił, że każda decyzja dotycząca Ukrainy nieuchronnie będzie dotyczyć Polski. Dlatego albo rozmowy odbywają się przez mechanizmy UE, albo Warszawa uczestniczy w nich bezpośrednio — w przeciwnym razie Polska nie będzie respektować takich porozumień.

@wterapii @K_Smiszek That's a poor plan. Poland is one of the biggest net recipients of EU funding, so it's not the only country with leverage in this relationship.

@K_Smiszek No teraz dalej musimy im pokazywac, ze z upa nie damy im zgody na wejscie do ue i nato, brzmi jak plan?

No dobra! Wreszcie Ukraińcom utarliśmy nosa! Niektórzy liczą, że już niedługo na kolanach do nas przyjdą, bo nam ich taka postawa się po prostu należy! Narodowe poczucie wyższości mamy obsłużone. Pokazaliśmy kto tu Panem! A teraz co? Jaki plan gry?

#Siódemka Jolanta Saacewicz: 👇 Ostatnio likwidowałam strych z pamiątkami rodzinnymi. Jedno pudło było pełne medali i orderów moich rodziców. Większość otrzymali w PRL-u, choć kilka również w III RP po 1989 r. Nie wiedziałam, co z nimi zrobić — wszak to ordery. Kiedyś, gdy przypinano je do piersi rodziców, były ważne i coś znaczyły. Rodziców już nie ma. Tamtego państwa, które ich nagradzało, też już nie ma. Ordery przestały mieć jakiekolwiek znaczenie. Ktoś poradził mi zanieść je do pana na rynku, który skupuje stare medale i monety. Większość jednak wyrzuciłam, a najładniejsze powieszę na choince. Pomyślałam sobie o dzieciach @ZelenskyyUa. Kiedyś będą porządkować pamiątki po swoich rodzicach. Będą się głowić, co zrobić z orderami z pudła po ojcu. Będą w nim: * 🇫🇷 francuska Legia Honorowa – Wielki Krzyż (2023), * 🇨🇿 czeski Order Białego Lwa z Łańcuchem (2022), * 🇱🇹 litewski Order Witolda Wielkiego ze Złotym Łańcuchem (2022), * 🇫🇮 fiński Order Białej Róży Finlandii z Łańcuchem, * 🇵🇹 portugalski Order Wolności – Wielki Łańcuch (2023), * 🇱🇻 łotewski Order Viestursa I klasy (2022), * 🇪🇪 estoński Order Herbu Tallinna (2022), * 🇳🇱 holenderska nagroda International Four Freedoms Award, * 🇺🇸 amerykańska Golden Plate Award. W pudle będzie pewnie też jakiś wycinek z dzisiejszej gazety o odebraniu polskiego orderu. Patrząc z amerykańskiej perspektywy, zaryzykuję twierdzenie, że świat nie ma zielonego pojęcia o tym, co stało się prawie sto lat temu we wsiach polsko-ukraińskich, nie wie, kto kogo tam bardziej prześladował, dyskryminował i kto wymordował więcej sąsiadów. Powiązanie odebrania tego orderu z tamtymi wydarzeniami sprzed stu lat jest tak surrealistyczne, że świat wgłębiać się w to wszystko nie będzie. Dziś wiadomo jedno: polski medal Polacy zabrali prezydentowi Ukrainy w środku wojny, w której Ukraińcy walczą o swoje istnienie i swoim życiem bronią m.in. Polski przed rosyjską inwazją. To ma głośny wydźwięk. I jednoznaczny dla Polski. Polska nie uczestniczy w większości rozmów i decyzji dotyczących pomocy Ukrainie, które prowadzą Francuzi, Brytyjczycy, Niemcy i Amerykanie. Polska, kraj graniczący z walczącą Ukrainą, jest nieobecna przy stole rokowań, bo nikt nie chce tam Polski, która zachowuje się w sprawie Ukrainy jak Geremek na schodach: nie wiadomo, czy schodzi, czy wchodzi. Polska polityka wobec Ukrainy coraz mniej wygląda też na bratnią pomoc, a coraz bardziej na wyrachowanie kraju, który, gdy konie kują, podsuwa swoją żabią nogę, by też załapać się na podkowę wspólnej obrony przed Rosją, ale tak naprawdę Ukrainy szczerze nienawidzi. Na choince małych Zełenskich polskiego orderu nie będzie. Dziadek Wołodymyr natomiast przejdzie do światowej historii jako prezydent kraju, który przez kilka lat stawiał bohaterski opór rosyjskiej inwazji, broniąc wolności i niepodległości Europy. Jak w tym wszystkim wypadliśmy jako kraj, przykro myśleć. Należy się nam za to medal z kartofla.

Probably no need to spell out the obvious: strikes on Belarus, on its oil refineries serving the Russian Armed Forces, or on equipment installed by Russians or servicing them, etc. — this isn't some completely far-fetched scenario. I also wouldn't rule out the possibility of various border-related events, in the course of which border territories get occupied with the aim of creating a buffer zone, pressuring Minsk, or tying down certain forces — also a quite realistic scenario at some point in the future. Lukashenko understands all of this perfectly well; over these decades he's demonstrated a high level of political intuition and instinct. At the same time, Belarus's population is only 9 million, where large masses have seen their government in a grave — everyone remembers very well the genuinely massive protests of 2020–21, which were suppressed and crushed by force, not dissipated on their own. With that kind of asset, you can't fight much or for long — at most a defensive posture, trying to keep the army loyal and under control. By providing its territory in 2022 for strikes and for the Russian army's hook-shaped advance on Kyiv, Belarus became, even formally, under international law, a co-participant state in the aggression. The fact that this wasn't talked about afterward isn't because it was forgotten, but because there were clearly more pressing matters than Minsk and what it was up to there. But if things start going badly for Russia (which the Kremlin itself is bringing closer by continuing to grind down its army, economy, and society) and it has to turn inward to its own affairs, Belarus could find itself largely without Moscow's protection. Lukashenko understands this perfectly well too. So it's sensible on his part — given Belarus's geographic position, its population, its vulnerabilities, and the vulnerabilities of his ruling family — to start a slow dialogue, and not just dialogue, but groundwork for the future: what he can offer, how to make up for 2022, and so on. I wouldn't even be surprised if such a dialogue is already happening behind the scenes, at the level of senior officials and diplomats. Belarus doesn't need a war, so it would be wise for Minsk to behave and, slowly, leisurely, in small steps, begin drifting away from Moscow as far as possible. Look at Armenia — it figured this out (and not only Armenia); now it's Belarus's turn. The future of this whole post-Soviet space will belong to Moscow only in the case of its victory (not a frozen conflict, but an actual victory) — in every other scenario, no, but instead many different new configurations and reshufflings open up.

Poland is conspicuously absent from European countries with whom Ukraine has defence cooperation agreements. These include the UK, Germany, 4 Nordics countries, and 3 Baltic countries, plus Canada. Ukraine has also signed defence agreements with 5 Gulf and Middle Eastern states. These countries are bringing (with Ukraine’s assistance) their militaries into the 21st century. Unlike these countries, Poland is not cooperating with Ukraine on a new European air defence system to replace the US patriot. Poland's MAGA President Nawrocki still has faith in Trump. Poland is also conspicuously absent from countries providing military aid to Ukraine (as seen at the just concluded G7 meeting). Poland (unlike Germany) is demanding payment from the EU for the transfer of (primarily Soviet) military equipment to Ukraine. Poland only shot down 4 out of 19 Russian drones during Russia’s last attack. I wish Poland good luck in combatting Russian aggression without US commitment to NATO and Ukrainian training, military technology and combat experience.

Сьогодні день, коли всі любителі Росії — від Навроцького до Трампа — об'єднались у спробі врятувати московію. Приємно споглядати агонію російської імперії. Цитати Трампа з інтерв'ю Axios: «Росія могла захопити Київ за чотири години й завершити війну в перший день, якби російський генерал не повів танки через болото. Вони застрягли в болоті, майже як у сипучих пісках. Вони не могли рухатися. Якби той генерал просто рушив прямо по шосе, вони були б у Києві за чотири години, і Україна нічого не змогла б вдіяти. Ця війна закінчилася б за один день.» Про вигнання Росії з G8: «Ймовірно, війни між Росією та Україною не було б, якби вони так вчинили. Але Обама не хотів, щоб Путін був там, вони хотіли усунути Путіна. Раніше це була "Велика вісімка". Було б набагато краще, якби вони зберегли її в такому вигляді.»

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@ua_alex_boy Nie. Po prostu nie zgadzamy się na gloryfikację nazizmu. UPA wymordowała ponad 100 tysięcy polskich kobiet dzieci i starców. Mordowali Czechów, Żydów i Ukraińców którzy pomagali Polakom. Ukraina ze zbrodniarzami do Europy nie wejdzie.

Президент Польши Навроцкий лишил Зеленского Ордена Белого Орла, это высшая государственная награда Польши, которую Анджей Дуда вручил Зеленскому 5 апреля 2023 года за заслуги в укреплении польско-украинских отношений. Ну штош, похоже вручит Адаму Кадырову, ему нужнее..

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Germany's ex Chancellor, and Gazprom's officer Gerhard Schröder was awarded White Eagle order in March 2002, already working for Putin. His project Nord Stream was designed to undermined Poland's independence. He has never abandoned Putin, and was never stripped the Order.

@venezianoIT @pictureladyjan @Gerashchenko_en

@pictureladyjan @Gerashchenko_en Just leave my wall you bandera cunt ❤️ I hate insects.

The Order of the White Eagle was not awarded just to Volodymyr Zelenskyy, and the history of these awardings is quite interesting. In the early 1770s, Poland's last king, Stanisław August Poniatowski, awarded the order to Alexander Suvorov - for his campaign against the Bar Confederation, that is, for suppressing Polish patriots. Catherine II was also a recipient, having received the order in 1787 - under her reign, Poland disappeared from the map; Grigory Potemkin was among the recipients as well. In 1831, after crushing the Polish uprising, Nicholas I incorporated the order into the imperial award system. The first recipients of the imperial Order of the White Eagle were Paskevich and Pahlen, honored for defeating those same Poles: Poland’s highest honor was taken away from Poland and re-awarded to those who had suppressed it. Then, in 1923, in an already independent Poland, Benito Mussolini received the order from President Stanisław Wojciechowski. In short, the list of recipients has included many names that today look rather awkward. By stripping President Zelenskyy of the order, President Nawrocki is not striking at Zelenskyy, but at the trust between our countries. Moreover, Poland's foreign policy is not led by him, but by Donald Tusk's government, which immediately moved to defuse the dispute, reminding everyone that only Moscow benefits from tensions between Poland and Ukraine. Two months ago, Viktor Orbán was also betting on the anti-Ukrainian card. His sixteen-year rule came to an end on April 12. True partnership is built not on ultimatums and revoked awards, but on dialogue - and previous Polish presidents understood this well. We will continue to defend ourselves, Europe, and Poland from the threat coming from the east, because we know that Nawrocki is not forever, while the Polish people will remain our friends and neighbors.

I don't really understand the point of this reply, because I was talking about something entirely different and did so in a peaceful and respectful tone. Instead of addressing my argument, you've responded with emotions and insults directed at Ukrainians in general. I don't engage in this kind of conversation. Goodbye, and I'm blocking you.

@Senya_ho @JerzyzKlanu @SlawomirMentzen @WypartowiczBa Ukrainians are spitting in our faces, behaving like barbarians, celebrating genocidal nazis, just like orcs from Moscow. They are asian steppe people,no diffrent from orcs. From adamant supporter of Ukraine 4 years ago, they turned me and millions others to neutrality,well done

Szef ukraińskiego MSZ, Andrij Sybiha ogłosił, że na znak protestu w sprawie odebrania Orderu Orła Białego Wołodymyrowi Złeńskiemu, zwróci Polsce swój Krzyż Orderu Zasługi Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej.

You've changed the subject . My question was whether the UPA or Bandera were officially recognized as Nazi, not whether some OUN or future UPA members collaborated with Germany at certain stages of the war. Collaboration by individuals or groups with Nazi Germany occurred in many occupied countries, including Poland, and does not by itself answer my original question. Since we've moved away from it, I'll leave the discussion here.

@Senya_ho @Karvajalg @kstankiewicz @nexta_tv The OUN collaborated with Nazi Germany, during the early years of World War II, and many future UPA members had previously served in German auxiliary formations. But the UPA was not a German ally throughout the entire war,

The President of Poland has stripped Zelensky of the Order of the White Eagle — the country’s highest decoration “I want to emphasize that this decision is not directed against the Ukrainian people. It does not change the strategic direction of Poland’s security policy. We have supported and continue to support Ukraine”, Nawrocki said. The reason for stripping the award was Zelensky’s decision to name a Ukrainian Armed Forces special unit after “UPA heroes” (the Ukrainian Insurgent Army). In Poland, UPA fighters are accused of ethnic cleansing of Poles and war crimes. Zelensky received the Order of the White Eagle in 2023 from former Polish President Andrzej Duda “in recognition of his merits in strengthening relations between Poland and Ukraine, as well as his efforts in security and resilience in defending human rights.”

I understand that many Poles view the UPA very negatively and see glorifying it as deeply offensive. You're entitled to that opinion. However, that still does not answer my original question: who and when officially recognized the UPA or Stepan Bandera as Nazi? Since we're now discussing feelings rather than that question, I'll leave it here and won't continue this exchange.

@Senya_ho @jak_krzysiek @Karvajalg @kstankiewicz @nexta_tv In Poland, the UPA are viewed as war criminals, placed on the same level as the Nazis. They slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Poles, so hailing them as heroes is a slap in the face to the Polish people. Zelenskyy has lost a great deal of standing in our eyes.