Random Bearded Guy

By God's grace, I can’t fathom how limiting any of his attributes, including his sovereignty, glorifies his name.

Stating a fact is not disparaging. If you said those who are 6’3” are taller than those who are 5’11”, are you disparaging people who are 5’11” No, you are not. So Jesus is not disparaging His mother when he says those who observe and obey the words of God are more blessed than the breast that fed him and the womb that bore Him.

@Sovereign_Beard @UnseenWyoGal @sola_chad You believe that Jesus publicly disparaging his mother is keeping the 5th commandment?

I think it’s worth noting that one of the earliest recordings of someone attempting to “venerate” Mary was met with a rebuke by Jesus.

The Good teacher scenario is totally different. Jesus was using that moment to show that He was God. In the blessed are the wombs and breast that fed you interaction Jesus stated it's those who observe and obey the word of God who are blessed and not the physical means of his nourishment.

@Sovereign_Beard @UnseenWyoGal @sola_chad Was he correcting a stranger that called him good?

@23wjohnston @UnseenWyoGal @sola_chad LOL!!!!!!!!! So, Jesus correcting a stranger on what really makes a person blessed is dishonoring to his parents and a sin?!? Should Jesus have lied to the person? The mental gymnastics you are displaying here are amazing.

@Sovereign_Beard @UnseenWyoGal @sola_chad If Jesus publicly “rebuke a person calling his Mother Blessed”. Soul he be keeping the 5th commandment or would he be breaking the 5th commandment?

@23wjohnston @UnseenWyoGal @sola_chad Did you notice none of your points were relevant to the topic?

@Sovereign_Beard @UnseenWyoGal @sola_chad Did you notice the question mark at the end of each sentence?⬅️(question mark - a punctuation mark (?) indicating a question)

@23wjohnston @UnseenWyoGal @sola_chad How do any of these questions address the same issue? Are you saying Jesus didn't keep the law perfectly? Does Jesus need a queen? Being blessed does not equate a unique divine nature. Stephen was full of grace like Mary. Does this make Stephen the grand Duke of Heaven?

@UnseenWyoGal @Sovereign_Beard @sola_chad Did Jesus keep all the commandments? Which one of Solomons 700 wives was his queen? Why does scripture say “all generations will call me Blessed”?

@RickWMiller1 @sola_chad

No. Jesus did not rebuke honor for Mary. He rebuked a reduction of her blessedness to mere biology. That woman said, in effect, “Blessed is the body that produced you.” Jesus answered: more deeply, blessed are those who hear God’s word and keep it. And who does Luke present as the model of that? Mary. •Luke 1:38: “Let it be to me according to your word.” •Luke 1:45: “Blessed is she who believed.” •Luke 2:19: Mary “kept” these things in her heart. So this is not a slap at Marian veneration. It is Christ identifying the true basis of Mary’s greatness: her faith and obedience. Catholic doctrine says exactly that: Mary is blessed not only because she bore Christ in the flesh, but even more because she heard the word of God and kept it. So the claim collapses: Jesus did not say, “Do not bless my mother.” He said the highest blessedness is obedient faith, which is precisely why Mary is blessed above all women.

Wrong. when Jesus asks, "Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone," he is not denying his own goodness or divinity. Rather, he is leading the man to recognize that by calling Jesus "Good Teacher," he is implicitly acknowledging that Jesus is God, as only God possesses inherent, perfect goodness.

Applying your same “logic”….. Consider Mark 10:18 (with clear parallels in Luke 18:19 and Matthew 19:17). A man addresses Jesus as “Good Teacher” and asks what he must do to inherit eternal life. Jesus immediately responds with a pointed question: “Why do you call me good? No one is good—except God alone.” If the same straightforward interpretive standard applied elsewhere is used here, Jesus is directly rebuking the title. He explicitly separates himself from the category of “good” and reserves that quality for God alone. Does this not logically mean Jesus is telling the inquirer—and everyone listening—that he himself is not good in the absolute, divine sense? And by extension, is he not openly declaring to the crowd that he is not God? The statement stands without qualification or redirection toward his own divinity; it draws a clear line between himself and the one true source of goodness.

@23wjohnston @sola_chad This doesn't address the OG post at all

The earliest recorded prayer to Mary is the Sub Tuum Praesidium("Beneath Thy Protection"), a Greek hymn dated to approximately A.D. 250. Found on a papyrus fragment in Egypt, it addresses Mary as Theotokos ("Mother of God" or "God-bearer"), highlighting an early theological devotion.

The word for works is ἐνεργοῦντος . It describes something actively bringing a result to pass (e.g., Philippians 2:13, Colossians 1:29). It translates as being mighty in, effective, or accomplishing.  So it reads to the purpose of Him who is “actively bringing” all things in accordance with the plan of His will.

@Sovereign_Beard @cbankston7 @Jondaphemp @RevReads289 What does “works” mean in this context? Working all things to the good could refer to eternity and/or bad things improving our sanctification on earth.

Much of Reformed Theology is philosophical assumptions regarding God's omniscience run amok.

@cbankston7 @Jondaphemp @just_keep_read @RevReads289 I don't know… Ephesians 1:11 says God "works all things according to the counsel of his will" and Isaiah 46:10 “declaring the end from the beginning...My counsel shall stand." Does "all things" not mean all things?

@Sovereign_Beard @Jondaphemp @just_keep_read @RevReads289 Is there anything that comes to pass that God did not decree?

@cbankston7 @Jondaphemp @just_keep_read @RevReads289 I never decide when God isn't sovereign. "God, from all eternity, did... freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass: yet so, as thereby neither is God the author of sin... nor is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established.

I have no issue with secondary causes. I think it's stupid to think something decreed by God in a manner where nothing other than what God has decreed can occur is "secondary" I fully stand by my words What's accomplished by secondary causes if they're determined by God? How do you decide when God isn't sovereign?

Foreknowledge produces a contradiction depending on the source. If the knowledge comes from within God's mind, then God is the ultimate lone source that determines the events in history. I think Isaiah 40:13-14 states this The passage explicitly asks: "Who has directed the Spirit of the Lord, or as His counselor has informed Him? If no one informs the lord, why is he using outside information to base his decisions on? But if the source of middle knowledge comes from outside God, you have something else coexisting with God before creation. Again, information needs a source. Middle knowledge needs a creator. Who is it?

@Sovereign_Beard @cbankston7 @Jondaphemp @RevReads289 It depends on the nature that Hid is sovereign over them. I don’t think that foreknowledge produces a logical contradiction.

Carson “I've made no statement about guilt. God may do whatever He pleases” Also Carson “If it's God determining future events, then, is pretty obvious whose will it is that they sin and who is making them sin” Stand by your words, man. And if God can do what He pleases, you should have no issue with God choosing to use secondary causes.

I've made no statement about guilt. God may do whatever He pleases Why do you keep changing the topic? I've already explained Christians (and people trying to equate calvinism with Christianity) affirm God is sovereign and man is responsible The issue is if God decreed secondary causes, then secondary causes are just other events decreed by God Now, if God decreed everything that comes to pass and you dining comes to pass, God decreed you to sin You're left with sputtering God doesn't want people to sin, He just decreed them to sin and they can't do otherwise

@Jondaphemp @just_keep_read @cbankston7 @RevReads289 Lol. I thought you muted me.

@just_keep_read @Sovereign_Beard @cbankston7 @RevReads289 @just_keep_read youve got to remember you are talking to a guy who thinks He understands God better than Moses, who God said was like no other Prophet.

@just_keep_read @cbankston7 @Jondaphemp @RevReads289 Then why can't God be sovereign over events yet man be responsible?

@Sovereign_Beard @cbankston7 @Jondaphemp @RevReads289 That’s an unreasonably high bar since everyone has to speculate on the nature of God and His “Omni-“ attributes (his great-making properties).

@just_keep_read @cbankston7 @Jondaphemp @RevReads289 Where did the information/ knowledge of those choices come from?

@Sovereign_Beard @cbankston7 @Jondaphemp @RevReads289 I will refer you back to that article. Man’s free choices represent real contingencies that could have been otherwise. God would sovereignly choose to let man’s choices determine some outcomes on this view.

I don't decide when God isn't sovereign. Is God always sovereign right? But God is also Holy and sinless, right? But the Bible is clear that God predetermines future events, and man is responsible. This leads you to say… “If it's God determining future events, then is pretty obvious whose will it is that they sin and who is making them sin.” You are making the same argument Paul calls foolish. “You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” 20 On the contrary, who are you, you foolish person, who answers back to God?” This is you. This is your objection here. How can your position be right if Paul calls it foolish? So yeah. I will stick to secondary causes, thank you.

It was in response to the assertion "if their actions truly did determine future events, then God would have no basis to call them arrogant for doing so." If it's God determining future events, then, is pretty obvious whose will it is that they sin and who is making them sin What's accomplished by secondary causes of they're determined by God? How do you decide when God isn't sovereign?

@just_keep_read @cbankston7 @Jondaphemp @RevReads289 Yeah, and you still need a source for the information on what those possibilities would be. What's the source of the information? Does God decide what possible worlds are possible, or does Information outside of God limit God's choices?

@Sovereign_Beard @cbankston7 @Jondaphemp @RevReads289 “Possible worlds” is a philosophical construct to describe how the universe could have been created differently. A world with green sky is a “possible world.” Any confession that affirms contingency tacitly affirms possible worlds.

@just_keep_read @cbankston7 @Jondaphemp @RevReads289 Not unless you can give a source for his foreknowledge. Until then, everything you say is just pure speculation that no one this side of eternity has observed

@Sovereign_Beard @cbankston7 @Jondaphemp @RevReads289 Foreknowledge allows Him to do this sort of thing, but this isn’t even necessary if corporate election of those who are “in Christ” by faith is in view. There are two non-Calvinist ways to explain this.