Splougy

@RikoWAV People are so ungrateful, don’t appreciate anything they have.

Babe come back I'm just a girl

@BeSaintly @poperespecter1 They’re in Mongolia~ The empire fractured within a few generations, while the Church has endured for two thousand years. Christ is King.

And where are the mongols today?

@Liturgy @OGBURGKATHOLIK That’s not a charitable way to engage, reverend. I did address Nicaea, and I’m happy to address Constantinople as well. My point remains, papal primacy was never dependent on the bishop of Rome physically presiding over councils.

@Splougy @OGBURGKATHOLIK I don't normally encourage anonymous rage-baiters, especially when they struggle with reading comprehension (this will also affect your understanding of history): "the first TWO Ecumenical Councils that produced the Nicene Creed." The Nicene Creed was completed at Constantinople.

Before I see one more Roman Catholic Trad boy claim that Protestants deny the Eucharist, let me enlighten you about the one and only true Protestant tradition. The “Western Catholic Church, cleansed by the Gospel.” “Hoc Est Enim Corpus Meum”

@MindOfHeadking This is bitterness dressed up as wisdom. There’s a difference between learning from pain and believing everyone needs to experience it.

Every man needs to feel this pain at least once in his life time.

@Local_man2479 Joseph Smith ordered the destruction of a newspaper (the Nauvoo Expositor) that criticized him, which escalated tensions and led to his arrest. Religion, politics, and power were all intertwined in what happened.

I actually believe Joseph Smith was murdered for his political affiliations rather than his religious association.

@disclosetv Genghis Khan built an empire that fragmented immediately, Jesus’ Church stood the test of time. Christ is King.

NOW - Netanyahu: "Jesus Christ has no advantage over Genghis Khan. Because if you are strong enough, ruthless enough, powerful enough, evil will overcome good."

@Mikmag1776 @Rblv73 I agree we should be able to talk as brothers.

@Splougy @Rblv73 And to your “who has the final authority” question, if the two sides could stop talking AT one another and start talking TO one another as brothers in Christ, many of our doctrinal disputes could be resolved. Or at worst, tolerated.

The “Catholic Takeover” Conspiracy Evangelicals say Catholics are trying to replace their political theology. In reality, people are just discovering three uncomfortable facts: Sola Scriptura isn’t taught in the Bible Dispensationalism didn’t exist for 1,800 years And declaring Zionism false doesn’t make you an antisemite

@Mikmag1776 @Rblv73 There’s no need to accuse anyone of stupidity. The difference is in starting assumptions and how we reason from them. I think we’re both trying to be consistent, even if we land in different places.

Yep. Debates rarely do move one party or the other. As I said last night. My only real goal was to propose an alternative view to the oft-times quite rigid RCC proponent. There are quite a lot of things in the RCC orthodoxy that makes little to no sense to an outsider. And our befuddlement is founded on something more than stupidity. I’ve been accused of stupidity by many-a-Catholic. Just because I couldn’t find a way to agree with them. I typically try to be kind. But sometimes I mess up and get… cocky. 😉

@Mikmag1776 @Rblv73 Grok took “critical” a bit literal. “If the goal was persuasion, both sides failed.” lol

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@Mikmag1776 @Rblv73 It is punchy rhetorically to be fair.

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I answered your question about Nicaea. If you want Constantinople too, say so. Constantinople I wasn’t presiding over by the pope in person either, you don’t need to over see everything for primacy. Papal primacy was never dependent on the pope physically presiding over every council.

@Splougy @OGBURGKATHOLIK convenient sidestepping of the 2nd Council... 🙃

@Mikmag1776 @Rblv73 It was a very simple input. I just asked for its evaluation.

Well thanks for sharing. It would’ve been a lot more impactful if I could see your input prompt(s) that got the ai to agree with you, but whatever works for you. For the record, the only position I took for the logical portion of this debate was that to be logically sound, one has to hold the door open for the possibility of being wrong. I hold myself to that possibility. You (up to now have refused to). Your position was: “either there’s a final authority or there isn’t a final authority, and if there isn’t a final authority, then it follows that no doctrinal disputes will ever get settled. That was the position you took. I said that is a false dichotomy. Because there are multiple ways to settle disputes, and a “final authority is only one of those ways. I later pointed out that your premise was further flawed because of your appeal to an authority (the RCC) that claims it has the final authority because it says that scripture verifies that it has the the final authority. And who gives the RCC the final authority to interpret scripture? (Checks notes) The RCC. I illustrated that was circular reasoning. If the “authority” claims its authority by interpreting scripture that only it has the authority to interpret… that’s a MASSIVE logical fallacy. So, I have no idea what prompts you fed your ai chat agent, but methinks you left some things out.

The Bishop of Rome is the Pope and he wasn’t absent, he exercised authority differently. Pope Sylvester I was pope during Council of Nicaea and was represented by legates. And earlier, Clement of Rome intervenes in Corinth with authority, outside his local diocese. The primacy is already there, even before later development in form.

@Splougy @OGBURGKATHOLIK So where was the pope in the first two Ecumenical Councils that produced the Nicene Creed?

@Liturgy @OGBURGKATHOLIK The Catholic Church aren’t the largest fragment, they are the foundation the others broke off from. The other traditions arise later by separation from that body.

@OGBURGKATHOLIK @Splougy …and Anglicans… it works better if contemporary RCs are seen as the largest fragment in the disintegrating Western Christianity. Many here mock the number of “Protestant“ denominations- that perspective changes when RC is simply one of them. Blessings.

@MendamCaedo Jesus never said eat a book.

@Splougy "Digest this book."

Or is it because the actual meaning was rejected and denied when it was explained, so instead of being overly literally and rejecting out of disgust and confusion, they were simply still overly literal and accepting and promoting so-called cannibalism. The error wasn't solely in the rejection.

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@JesseCurtis1203 @_pipdid Both. God is what and who. He is God.

@Splougy @_pipdid So is God a who or a what?

*Mormons ARE Christians (*Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints)

@Mikmag1776 @Rblv73 You’re correct in that one must be open to possibilities. My assumptions have been challenged in the past and I’ve been willing to see the other perspectives. That’s not “I’m right because I’m right”it’s a conclusion based on history, Scripture, and coherence.

To be logically consistent, one must be willing to hold the door open to the possibility that every currently considered option could be potentially false. Assuming you’re already in possession of the correct is how errors are made. “I’m right because I’m right.” That can be applied to this issue, and every other scenario you can conceive of. If you’re correct, your conclusion will stand up to critical challenges.