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$ensai 🎴@TokyoGhoulin·1d

@quiquingonzalez @EricArechiga1 @Nerd_Sesh i mean getting a 13 year old pregnant then being a deadbeat to the child is a tad bit more than just being shitty lol

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Nerd Sesh@Nerd_Sesh·1d

We ranked the Top 50 players in NBA history! What stands out?

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SportsStatsFan@SportsStatsFan·2h

2004-05 is 2005 season, 1st yr effective handcheck ban year Kobe: 2004: 24.0ppg 5.1apg 55.1%TS 2005: 27.6 6.0apg 56.3% 2006: 35.4ppg 4.5apg 55.9% 2007: 31.6ppg 5.4apg 58% Iverson: 90s: 23.7ppg 6.3apg 51.9%TS 98&99 season: 26.8ppg 4.6apg 50.8% 03&04: 27.1ppg 6.0apg 49.1% 2003: 27.6ppg 5.5apg 50.0% 2004: 26.4ppg 6.8apg 47.8% 2005: 30.7ppg 7.9apg 53.2% 2006: 33ppg 7.4apg 54.2% (Age 30) Nash 2002-04: 16.7pts 7.9ast 58.9%TS 2004: 14.5ppg 8.5apg 59% 2005: 15.5ppg 11.5apg 60.6% 2006: 18.8ppg 10.5apg 63.2% 2007: 18.6pppg 11.6apg 65.4% (age 32) 2008-11: 16.0ppg 10.8apg 61.9% (age 33-36)

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SportsStatsFan@SportsStatsFan·3h

So you’re saying Jordan dominated in an era where the game incentivize post play big guys like Hakeem Shaq David Robinson Ewing etc? And you think it was harder to score in the Kobe years despite the NBA forming a committee in 2001 to start changing rules to make offense easier? And it’s pure coincidence that Kobe saw his explosive stats in 2006 and 2007 after the handcheck ban that lead to perimeter players stats sky rocketing? And free throw rates went sky rocketing as they enforced the handcheck ban. Attached are nba execs acknowledging they changed rules to make offense easier, especially perimeter offense. And data to back it up Funny how so many players at around 30 and above saw their best offensive seasons after the handcheck ban

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MambaRomeo@DogeRomeo·13h

The knock on Jordan is .. He didn’t start winning until Bird, Magic and Isiah were at the end of their careers. Jordan was 1-9 to start his playoff career against those guys Then he played in the plumber era. Yes, the game was physical, but the era of players wasn’t all that, especially in the guard position! It was all about big man. I mean, can you imagine Hornyyysack guarding prime Kobe? John Starks? Kobe would put up 40 a game. Jordan played less competition than Kobe, especially at the guard position! Kobe played better teams, better players, better defense and the same physicality as Jordan’s time. That’s why I have Kobe as the goat 🐐

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SportsStatsFan@SportsStatsFan·3h

@3lijahloiseau Why do refuse to give details and answer the questions directly? See the attached. Who is the goat and who are the top 3.

WHY doesn’t it make it true Explain how the best players today aren’t the best players ever. Who is the goat and who are the top 3 players ever? You won’t explain because you can’t seem to understand something so simple I asked you specific questions but you’re refusal to answer suggest you are incapable of understanding OR you understand it but are dishonest and refuse to answer the questions knowing it proves you’re argument wrong

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Jah@3lijahloiseau·3h

@SportsStatsFan However the competition is simply not the same as it is today, that is why its impossible to recreate his impact in modern day, players are to good. It is literally just understanding relative impact and judging players on a case to case basis???

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SportsStatsFan@SportsStatsFan·18h

They don’t get it. A better analogy is whether or not Albert Einstein is one of the most brilliant people ever or are PhD students in physics more intelligent than Einstein since they know more than Einstein? The answer is clearly that Einstein is extremely brilliant and more brilliant than all or nearly all PhD Physics students. The only difference is there was less known knowledge 100yrs ago and PhD today have access to all that knowledge gained since Einstein as well as access to better tools (calculators, computers). Einstein in today’s environment would have access to that and be one of the most brilliant people…or THE most brilliant person today

THE EVOLUTION OF THE GAME

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SportsStatsFan@SportsStatsFan·3h

WHY doesn’t it make it true Explain how the best players today aren’t the best players ever. Who is the goat and who are the top 3 players ever? You won’t explain because you can’t seem to understand something so simple I asked you specific questions but you’re refusal to answer suggest you are incapable of understanding OR you understand it but are dishonest and refuse to answer the questions knowing it proves you’re argument wrong

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Jah@3lijahloiseau·3h

@SportsStatsFan Bc its called understanding context. I repeat 2 things can be true. They were worse players compared to now, that doesn’t make what they did less impressive. Again Bill Russell had the greatest impact ever. So great it is literally not possible to recreate his impact now

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SportsStatsFan@SportsStatsFan·3h

@3lijahloiseau So nfl players have evolved while the Pool of players has declined You proved my point it’s not related and you still miss the point

But you’re entirely missing the point 😂😂 Your arguement literally means the best player(s) are the best ever. They evolved and better than before I’m saying that such an argument isn’t what we think of when talking about players of different eras. But please do explain how “that doesn’t necessarily mean older players are worse”. How are they not worse with how you describe it?

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Jah@3lijahloiseau·3h

@SportsStatsFan There could be a variety of factors, but I also know that NFL players have evolved. Look at the QB position, the off plat form ability, scramble ability, these are more common now then ever before. The game and players evolved what is this analogy?

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SportsStatsFan@SportsStatsFan·3h

@3lijahloiseau Seriously something wrong with you that you keep missing the point

But you’re entirely missing the point 😂😂 Your arguement literally means the best player(s) are the best ever. They evolved and better than before I’m saying that such an argument isn’t what we think of when talking about players of different eras. But please do explain how “that doesn’t necessarily mean older players are worse”. How are they not worse with how you describe it?

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Jah@3lijahloiseau·3h

@SportsStatsFan What how is that the conclusion u just got to. If u put an MPJ in the 50s he would like insane? That not the point tho? It how good you are relative to you peers, and how good your peers are matters?????

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SportsStatsFan@SportsStatsFan·3h

You’re not answering because you’re a caught lying Seriously, how the hell you think you’re rights but won’t answer the questions? You absolutely know that players today would take fewer 3 shots in the 90s Don’t lie that I’m bias when you can’t answer the questions. 10 people replied like you and not one of you would answer the questions knowing it proves my point And no strawmans…I never said Curry wouldn’t be great in the 90’s. I said he is better in there 2010’s or at most he would be equal in the 90’a to 2010’s. And Shaq would be worse today for the exact opposite reasons…the 90s game incentivize post play more than today relative to league average

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LegendOfWinning@LegendOfWinning·13h

I dont care what any 90s players says, I watched those games and Curry would have been frying them easily. It would actually be embarrassing

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Charles Barkley says Steph Curry would’ve been ‘broken in half’ in the ’90s NBA “I love Steph Curry, but if anybody with a shred of common sense tells me Steph could’ve taken the licks Michael [Jordan] was taking, come on, man” “Not just the body blows, but the hand-checking, where you could grab a guy and he couldn’t move” “If Steph got hit like Michael was getting hit, he’d get broken in half. That’s just a fact”

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SportsStatsFan@SportsStatsFan·5h

@daniels_darris @KingOverAir LeTard…so you’re telling me that using fga for 30pt games was stupid?!!?! Lebron fans are the stupidest people ever

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rock steady-stay ready@daniels_darris·6h

@SportsStatsFan @KingOverAir Yall blind to simple math. This actually says Luka was better with a higher ts% and averaging 13 more points that year. Try again!!!

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King Over Air@KingOverAir·12h

I’m on one this morning 😂 Bron over Jordan forever B 👑😤🐐#lebron #michaeljordan #goodmorning

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SportsStatsFan@SportsStatsFan·6h

@KnickWitDaKnack That’s awesome! I collected cards but no idea whatever happened to them. I’m sure my parents threw them away when I was in college or shortly after college

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Knick With The Knack@KnickWitDaKnack·6h

It’s real, I actually have 4 of that card!! Was going through my collection that my Dad gave me of his cards from the 60s. Lot’s more gems in there like Roberto Clemente, Pete Rose, Mickey Mantle, and Willy Mays. Plus some fun ones like Dave DeBusschere as a White Sox Pitcher and Bob Uecker!

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Knick With The Knack@KnickWitDaKnack·15h

Any baseball fans out there heard of this guy?🤣🤣

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SportsStatsFan@SportsStatsFan·6h

@quartermik So Jordan is equal to LeBron plus Bosh in your scenario I agree

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m@quartermik·6h

@SportsStatsFan The bulls did worse in the playoffs with him back

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SportsStatsFan@SportsStatsFan·18h

Funny how Bronstans NEVER respond to me when I lay out the facts that Jordan was better than LeBron. It’s a common pattern…Bronstans claim Bron is the goat, I give facts and evidence that MJ was better, they ignore it all and never write down a Bron goat case

@Nerd_Sesh @Carsobi Trash opinions. Jordan statistically better than LeBron, far more clutch, more titles FMVPs MVPs & yet Bron is the goat? Have you put your argument in writing? Some have also measured MJ’s on off net rating for career postseason. Net rating: MJ +18.1 Bron: +9.3 (+10.5 thru 35)

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SportsStatsFan@SportsStatsFan·6h

@SportsSteady @Potacio4 ATHLETIC prime. He had some injuries in 1993 and last half a step It’s like 1992 or 1993 Jordan vs 1990. Still VERY athletic but not at his peak

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Sports Steady@SportsSteady·7h

@SportsStatsFan @Potacio4 this photo was in the dead smack middle of his prime. he was in mid 20's.

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SportsStatsFan@SportsStatsFan·1d

Example 4 of 90’s players that were very athletic but weren’t star players…Brent Barry. Brent Barry never made an all-star yet was very athletic and was a lights out 3pt shooter. Career 40.5% 3pt shooter. He is the son of NBA great Rick Barry. x.com/redapples/stat…

Example 3 of 1990’s players that were very athletic but weren’t star players. This one is a little of a cheat…this athletic player wasn’t good enough to make the 1990’s NBA. College player Jarvis Basnight in 1988 jumps over defender on the dunk.

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SportsStatsFan@SportsStatsFan·6h

@troygreen23 @Zandro_5 Exactly! The two best offensive players today are unathletic

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Troy Green@troygreen23·7h

@Zandro_5 @SportsStatsFan But then they see Luka and joker destroying the league. So that dont even make sense.

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SportsStatsFan@SportsStatsFan·12h

Example 6 of 90’s players who were very athletic but not star players…ISAIAH RIDER. Despite his athleticism and dribbling skills, he made zero all-stars in the talented 1990’s. 4x averaged over 19ppg. x.com/redapples/stat…

Example 5 of 90’s players who were very athletic but not star players…HAROLD MINER. “Baby Jordan never averaged over 11ppg and was a 2x slam dunk contest winner.

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SportsStatsFan@SportsStatsFan·6h

1. We agree 2. We agree 3. We mostly agree but you’re just not getting it 😂😂 I literally said Curry in the 90’s would be like Curry in 2010’s so no change…that’s assuming he gets 11 fga from 3. But he won’t so 2010’s is even better for Curry because his 3pt which is how he space the floor to maximize impact would NOT be allowed to same extent in 90’s…due to your answer in 1 and 2

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Haissam Mourad@H_aissa_M·8h

@SportsStatsFan @TChill23 @LegendOfWinning 1. Yes 2. Yes 3. No because even in an era now where threes are being rained left and right, Steph is still a cut above the rest in terms of 3pt shooting. Mahbe league wide players are more efficient but individually no one has the volume of Steph while having his efficiency.

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SportsStatsFan@SportsStatsFan·6h

But you’re entirely missing the point 😂😂 Your arguement literally means the best player(s) are the best ever. They evolved and better than before I’m saying that such an argument isn’t what we think of when talking about players of different eras. But please do explain how “that doesn’t necessarily mean older players are worse”. How are they not worse with how you describe it?

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Jah@3lijahloiseau·8h

@SportsStatsFan To be fair I didn’t really watch the video, bc most podcasts do not know a lick about bball, but Im simply saying 2 things can true. Players have evolved and are better than before. That doesn’t necessarily mean older players are worse, thats all. Its rly all relative impact

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SportsStatsFan@SportsStatsFan·6h

@3lijahloiseau How is related? Different things. Thus different descriptions. For example, fewer and fewer people today playing football. The pool is shrinking. Does that mean the game isn’t evolving????!

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Jah@3lijahloiseau·8h

@SportsStatsFan Talent pool is related to evolution tho no? Players have access to more, know more, and thus can grow and take even more steps forward. Players across the board have majorly evolved, as well as how the game itself is played.

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SportsStatsFan@SportsStatsFan·7h

@3lijahloiseau Got it, so a player today couldn’t compete in past. Or Einstein today isn’t that brilliant?

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Jah@3lijahloiseau·8h

@SportsStatsFan Yes, but it has evolved. The game has evolved, schemes and skillsets have greatly grown since then. A bob cousy is likely not even a college player now. That doesn’t mean one is going to take away from how impactful Bill was just bc of the era, its understanding relative impact

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SportsStatsFan@SportsStatsFan·7h

@quartermik How so? Heat added Bron and Bosh. So Bron and Bosh equal Jordan? I agree!

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m@quartermik·8h

@SportsStatsFan We agree the bulls added the best player in basketball an did worse in the playoffs while the heat did the opposite?

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