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Host of @TheBitcoinNova Podcast https://t.co/uIPGS0IeS5 @cluborange Bitcoin Army Group Chat 🧡✨👇https://t.co/RDEidVSe7h

Chicago, IL Katılım Eylül 2009
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Staci@StacingSats·
Thank you for your quick response. It’s nice to learn how it all works. Just as I’m feeling like I need to take a break from 𝕏 because I’m trying to understand and inform myself, and it’s disheartening to hear how so many are against Core and think so negatively about Bitcoin, if BIP-110 doesn’t succeed. I just wish this all wasn’t happening because we all love Bitcoin and I just can’t seem to find the answer to unite everyone… I guess I’m naive but I know Bitcoin will be stronger for it. Thank you for showing up, because it’s incredibly difficult in times of disagreement.
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Adam Back
Adam Back@adam3us·
nothing gets merged without technical consensus and review of other developers. if someone with merge capability abuses that capability, they get fired. (that happened once i think). if the guy with passwords goes rogue you start a new repo (nearly happened with gavin i think until he handed it over)
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AutisticHODL✝️
AutisticHODL✝️@AutisticHODL·
If BIP-110 succeeds in decentralizing Bitcoin implementations beyond Core, then I think that’s a win. I’m not saying Knots is the answer. I know it’s hard to break away from preprogrammed binary outcome thinking.
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Michael Saylor@saylor·
There are 110 things more dangerous to Bitcoin than spam. BIP 110 turns a spam dispute into a consensus change that would invalidate some currently valid, fee-paying transactions. That precedent is the danger. We should save our energy for threats that really matter. $BTC
Adam Back@adam3us

On the filter fork topic. I don't usually have time, but this morning listened to one of the twitter spaces from earlier in the week, with some well meaning relative bitcoin newcomers, that humanized them, and their concerns and thoughts for why they thought that made it logical to support 110. My feeling after listening, is if these are the people with #110 in their handles, I'm sad to see them about to fork off and get disillusioned without understanding why bitcoin rejected 110 robustly. So here's a more empathetic, constructive higher level version of explaining why not. I hope it's high-level and first-principles enough that everyone can follow. They seem to want to understand what makes people tick, and are suspicious of intent. So, if someone asked me why is Bitcoin important and what is it, I'd say my (personal) mission and hope for bitcoin is to build the cypherpunk future, that "Snow Crash" was a blueprint, and work backwards from there. Bitcoin I hope leads to fully free markets via bearer unseizable, hard mathematically dependable money. Not everyone is comfortable with that level of freedom, but that's my view. And at this point, I believe that surprisingly, even now many governments have come to understand and value bitcoin's gold-like mathematical assurance, a positive development. Others may have milder views than myself, but still like hard censorship resistant money. Because of motive suspicion, if it's not obvious: I hate spam with a passion, that's how I came to design hashcash while researching decentralized bearer money with others, and running nodes in privacy related cypherpunk p2p networks nearly three decades ago. People seem upset about the default op return policy change in bitcoin. I will just assert, there are extremely robust and simple reasons for bitcoin changing default relay policy, and most just didn't do their research, so don't know what those are, or maybe not technical enough to fully understand though there have been 1000s of posts trying to explain in various simplified ways. So that lack of understanding lends itself to shared build-up of false narratives. So here's my back-to-basics higher level explanation. The decentralization needed to create cypherpunk money has implications a: side effect of decentralization is that you can't impose your views on others. The very decentralization mechanism that helps that, is working against what BIP 110 wants, which at it's most basic is a quest to police other people. I understand supporters don't see their intent like that, but introspect deeper. You can modify your software, but not anyone else's. Another critical and incredibly robust technical bitcoin immune system is bitcoin can't have people who don't understand technology basics insist on eroding security, decentralization robustness and core properties. That would end badly, fast, and so people will fight you on that. So the message is Bitcoin respectfully says "no" to what you want. Sorry, and bitcoiners do genuinely understand and empathize that you mean well, have high level thoughts that make emotional sense, and articulate sensible bitcoin-defensive high level ideas, but they are not grounded and without you seeing it, the way you propose to achieve your ideas, hard-conflict with free cypherpunk permissionless money. My advice is to listen to more experienced people who understand the system and why it works the way it does, to whatever detail you want to understand the grounded reasons for why this is the implication of decentralization and cypherpunk money. I guarantee you the developer and protocol ecosystem shares and exceeds your views on bearer hard money (and dislike of spam). You may not agree with individual developers choices, views, way of expressing themselves etc, BUT you also need to understand the IETF-like decentralized technical consensus process creates a protective change resistance, that is highly effective at protecting bitcoin mission. The implication of which is no developer can change anything without technical consensus from hundreds of other developers and protocol observers who are pedantic and extremely knowledgeable clever people who won't let any unaddressed technical question past. The protective change resistance is robust and decentralized in an amplifying way because of this technical consensus. And the many highly technical mainline developers' cypherpunk mission mindsets are probably far more determined than you can even handle on clarity of understanding and views about freedoms on permissionless networks, as many of you are probably still subconsciously inured by the matrix, where they have transcended that, and grew up immersed in it decades ago. They think natively in this space, while you are just grappling with the surface. Many wont have internalized or have the experience to know how this internet physics works, where there is no policeman, no policy authority, just mathematics, free market and hard money. That has implications for your views also, unfortunately. Now the tough pill, which is unfortunately true: If you won't listen to reason, educate yourself, learn, the same radical freedom applies to you: your permissionless recourse is to club together and create a fork. But bitcoin won't be joining it. (With respect and no sleight intended.) Please rejoin bitcoin now, or later if you're not convinced and need to experience 110 forking off and fizzling for yourself to start that journey of introspecting and learning. It would be sad if bitcoin lost people disillusioned due to simple lack of understanding of what's going on there, we're all trying to defend bitcoin and keep it on mission. Including btw the 110 technical promoters, just they wandered off plot somehow. Join the cypherpunks on bitcoin, come cypherpunk summer🌞 in a few weeks.

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Staci@StacingSats·
@JustaLillyBit @venorusprime @saylor @BtcCommons I think I’m going to take a break from 𝕏, it’s funny that I feel like I’m being vigilant, but that vigilance is bringing me sadness, and makes me complacent.
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Lilly
Lilly@JustaLillyBit·
Bitcoin needs polarization to survive because decentralized money will always continue to be attacked. It will always need to be defended. This isn't peace, love and happiness, rainbows and unicorns. "Complacency is an attack vector. Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty" -@hodlonaut
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Simply Bitcoin@SimplyBitcoin·
Who are your favorite people to listen to in Bitcoin?
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Staci@StacingSats·
@adam3us @AutisticHODL Thank you for explaining the robustness and decentralization of Core. Can you also explain merge access?
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Adam Back
Adam Back@adam3us·
@AutisticHODL centralized project, it's a dozen not-for profits, many companies, individuals each developing bug fixes, features, all collaborating. some soft-forks were co-authored by people working on different implementations. core itself is misunderstood, it's not a central organization
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AutisticHODL✝️@AutisticHODL·
@adam3us Thank you for taking the time to post this well thought out and detailed response to my concerns. This actually helps me shape my opinion and shed some light on details I was not aware of.
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Jim | RDTS | Bitcoin, not jpegs
No one gets attacked for sharing their perspective. People get attacked for having retarded and unrespectable perspectives. Like claiming that because fees are low spam is not a problem. And he has been afraid to share his perspective this whole time. You think he is just now coming to this conclusion? No, he was hoping it would all just blow over and now that it clearly isn't he is putting his weight behind keeping his plans for bitcoin spam in place. There is nothing respectable about what he is doing. coindesk.com/tech/2024/05/0…
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Staci@StacingSats·
@venorusprime @saylor For not being afraid to share his perspective. Because so many attack you for doing so
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Lilly@JustaLillyBit·
@StacingSats @saylor Why do you respect him Staci? Respect and envy are very different things.
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Staci@StacingSats·
@adam3us Thank you for taking the time @adam3us. This was explained very well. People do want to learn, and this is the type of post that can help people understand the purpose, without jumping to conclusions.
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Adam Back
Adam Back@adam3us·
On the filter fork topic. I don't usually have time, but this morning listened to one of the twitter spaces from earlier in the week, with some well meaning relative bitcoin newcomers, that humanized them, and their concerns and thoughts for why they thought that made it logical to support 110. My feeling after listening, is if these are the people with #110 in their handles, I'm sad to see them about to fork off and get disillusioned without understanding why bitcoin rejected 110 robustly. So here's a more empathetic, constructive higher level version of explaining why not. I hope it's high-level and first-principles enough that everyone can follow. They seem to want to understand what makes people tick, and are suspicious of intent. So, if someone asked me why is Bitcoin important and what is it, I'd say my (personal) mission and hope for bitcoin is to build the cypherpunk future, that "Snow Crash" was a blueprint, and work backwards from there. Bitcoin I hope leads to fully free markets via bearer unseizable, hard mathematically dependable money. Not everyone is comfortable with that level of freedom, but that's my view. And at this point, I believe that surprisingly, even now many governments have come to understand and value bitcoin's gold-like mathematical assurance, a positive development. Others may have milder views than myself, but still like hard censorship resistant money. Because of motive suspicion, if it's not obvious: I hate spam with a passion, that's how I came to design hashcash while researching decentralized bearer money with others, and running nodes in privacy related cypherpunk p2p networks nearly three decades ago. People seem upset about the default op return policy change in bitcoin. I will just assert, there are extremely robust and simple reasons for bitcoin changing default relay policy, and most just didn't do their research, so don't know what those are, or maybe not technical enough to fully understand though there have been 1000s of posts trying to explain in various simplified ways. So that lack of understanding lends itself to shared build-up of false narratives. So here's my back-to-basics higher level explanation. The decentralization needed to create cypherpunk money has implications a: side effect of decentralization is that you can't impose your views on others. The very decentralization mechanism that helps that, is working against what BIP 110 wants, which at it's most basic is a quest to police other people. I understand supporters don't see their intent like that, but introspect deeper. You can modify your software, but not anyone else's. Another critical and incredibly robust technical bitcoin immune system is bitcoin can't have people who don't understand technology basics insist on eroding security, decentralization robustness and core properties. That would end badly, fast, and so people will fight you on that. So the message is Bitcoin respectfully says "no" to what you want. Sorry, and bitcoiners do genuinely understand and empathize that you mean well, have high level thoughts that make emotional sense, and articulate sensible bitcoin-defensive high level ideas, but they are not grounded and without you seeing it, the way you propose to achieve your ideas, hard-conflict with free cypherpunk permissionless money. My advice is to listen to more experienced people who understand the system and why it works the way it does, to whatever detail you want to understand the grounded reasons for why this is the implication of decentralization and cypherpunk money. I guarantee you the developer and protocol ecosystem shares and exceeds your views on bearer hard money (and dislike of spam). You may not agree with individual developers choices, views, way of expressing themselves etc, BUT you also need to understand the IETF-like decentralized technical consensus process creates a protective change resistance, that is highly effective at protecting bitcoin mission. The implication of which is no developer can change anything without technical consensus from hundreds of other developers and protocol observers who are pedantic and extremely knowledgeable clever people who won't let any unaddressed technical question past. The protective change resistance is robust and decentralized in an amplifying way because of this technical consensus. And the many highly technical mainline developers' cypherpunk mission mindsets are probably far more determined than you can even handle on clarity of understanding and views about freedoms on permissionless networks, as many of you are probably still subconsciously inured by the matrix, where they have transcended that, and grew up immersed in it decades ago. They think natively in this space, while you are just grappling with the surface. Many wont have internalized or have the experience to know how this internet physics works, where there is no policeman, no policy authority, just mathematics, free market and hard money. That has implications for your views also, unfortunately. Now the tough pill, which is unfortunately true: If you won't listen to reason, educate yourself, learn, the same radical freedom applies to you: your permissionless recourse is to club together and create a fork. But bitcoin won't be joining it. (With respect and no sleight intended.) Please rejoin bitcoin now, or later if you're not convinced and need to experience 110 forking off and fizzling for yourself to start that journey of introspecting and learning. It would be sad if bitcoin lost people disillusioned due to simple lack of understanding of what's going on there, we're all trying to defend bitcoin and keep it on mission. Including btw the 110 technical promoters, just they wandered off plot somehow. Join the cypherpunks on bitcoin, come cypherpunk summer🌞 in a few weeks.
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FUGUM@ChewFUgum·
Honest gum update: This is one of dozens of rejection emails I’ve received while trying to bring FUGUM to life. The challenge isn’t finding someone who can make gum. It’s finding someone willing to work with a small brand before it becomes a big one. If you know a gum manufacturer that does white label or co-packing with startup-friendly minimums, send them my way. Every “no” gets me one step closer to the right “yes.”
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Tiffany Noelle
Tiffany Noelle@tiffany_varty·
I have learned the BIP-110 debate is important. But so is how we talk to each other in these debates. And so is taking the time to touch grass and invite more of the world we’re trying to protect into our lives. So here’s a story. Not quite a Bitcoin story. But maybe quite so. The Parable of the Banker and the Fisherman 🎣₿ Watch it. Then ask yourself: which one are you? …then go fishing.
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