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@TimTim1254 @I_amMukhtar And the ‘unite the kingdom’ folk all chanting USA lmaooo

@I_amMukhtar Imagine going to a rally in a foreign country and shouting a chant about your own country. The absolute utter state.

That American far-right influencer Nick Shirley, who helped fuel the unrest in Minnesota, is also a speaker at the far-right rally, and he got the crowd chanting, “USA, USA, USA.”

@psilynt @donbenarfa @davidputney2003 @tr3ble29 @PR0LETKULT @tinscognito__ I have to be up in 5 hours so I’ll have to come back to this but God in Islam is described super simple - He is One, he is self sufficient, he neither begets nor is begotten and nor to him is there any equivalent

@StillServin247 @donbenarfa @davidputney2003 @tr3ble29 @PR0LETKULT @tinscognito__ I mean if you want to hold the position that the philosopher's god is the god you worship, that's uhh.. interesting, but pretty much tossing the whole historical roots and culture in the toilet. So you're a Greek now?

Just saw three white blokes in construction gear walk past a pub on their lunch break. Incredulous, I asked why they weren’t popping in for a cheeky pint and packet of pork scratchings. It’s Friday after all! One replied: “we are off to mosque for Friday prayers”

@psilynt @donbenarfa @davidputney2003 @tr3ble29 @PR0LETKULT @tinscognito__ Ok but we now have communication and ‘travel tech’, there must be something you know that I don’t, is there some scientific discovery that disproves Islam, or more generally a creator?

@StillServin247 @donbenarfa @davidputney2003 @tr3ble29 @PR0LETKULT @tinscognito__ Mostly communication and travel tech did it. That's what completely eradicated tribal societies. Turns out when societies are in a bubble, they get all superstitions and wrong about everything outside. New tribal gods can't pop up in the modern era.

@donbenarfa @davidputney2003 @tr3ble29 @PR0LETKULT @tinscognito__ If you are a creation of the universe, where did the universe come from?

@StillServin247 @davidputney2003 @tr3ble29 @PR0LETKULT @tinscognito__ Brilliant. I exist. Acknowledged. I am a creation of the universe which we cannot fathom. The universe, however, did not tell me I cannot drink a beer, or gamble, or how women should present themselves or that heaven/hell exists. Some medieval peasants simply made that up 😅.

@donbenarfa @psilynt @davidputney2003 @tr3ble29 @PR0LETKULT @tinscognito__ Please enlighten me as to what we now know with this modern scientific knowledge that would make religion redundant

@StillServin247 @psilynt @davidputney2003 @tr3ble29 @PR0LETKULT @tinscognito__ But the idea of this ‘exam’ was created entirely in the absence of what we know now! Religion simply would not exist if humans had access to the scientific knowledge of today, there wouldn’t be enough ambiguities from which religion could spawn.

@donbenarfa @davidputney2003 @tr3ble29 @PR0LETKULT @tinscognito__ Before getting to that you have to acknowledge you came from something and not nothing

@StillServin247 @davidputney2003 @tr3ble29 @PR0LETKULT @tinscognito__ And that one question leads us to the conclusion that YOUR specific manifestation of religion is ‘correct’. Why’s the Jewish interpretation so different? Christian? Hindu? Could it be that it was all made up by peasants without science? Surely not…

@donbenarfa @davidputney2003 @tr3ble29 @PR0LETKULT @tinscognito__ You may care for the life of others but why should I? After all, there is no God according to you so your wrongs could be my rights, in my atheistic world view murder is ok because meh we all die one day

@StillServin247 @davidputney2003 @tr3ble29 @PR0LETKULT @tinscognito__ No, it does not mean you should ‘be a piece of shit’ because I care for the lives of others. Everyone should experience it happily and equally. Life is a gift for now, not a trial for later.

@psilynt @donbenarfa @davidputney2003 @tr3ble29 @PR0LETKULT @tinscognito__ ‘Teacher why are you making us sit this exam, give us all the answers so we can all just pass making this whole exam and qualification redundant’

@donbenarfa @StillServin247 @davidputney2003 @tr3ble29 @PR0LETKULT @tinscognito__ I'm not picky. Consistent voice in my head that others can also hear the same thing. Maybe even send an angel to fly about like they did in the Bible and give directions to some public event every couple hundred years.

@donbenarfa @psilynt @davidputney2003 @tr3ble29 @PR0LETKULT @tinscognito__ That’s the whole point of this life - it’s a test, if God revealed himself to you why should he not be just and reveal himself to everybody? In which case what’s the point of us going through the test of life? Why put us on earth? Just put us all in heaven and be done with it

@psilynt @StillServin247 @davidputney2003 @tr3ble29 @PR0LETKULT @tinscognito__ Yeah, maybe he’d fancy showing his face one in a while. Without that it’s just faith, unless this guy can suddenly bring me some concrete proof.

@donbenarfa @davidputney2003 @tr3ble29 @PR0LETKULT @tinscognito__ Yes, why would she not? Do you think a group of bearded men would collect her and take her head off like the news tells you lol

@StillServin247 @davidputney2003 @tr3ble29 @PR0LETKULT @tinscognito__ Again I ask you, if a Muslim woman wished to remove her hijab in public, or dress as she pleased, would she be given that freedom by her religion or her peers? I am not saying that they are ‘sheltered, uneducated slaves’ (although in some countries, they certainly are).

@psilynt @donbenarfa @davidputney2003 @tr3ble29 @PR0LETKULT @tinscognito__ I think the point flew over both your heads, me personally I believe without a doubt there is a creator, the reason I said that is because the other fella is of the view there isn’t one and so if only one of the two options is true one of us would be taking the bigger risk

@donbenarfa @StillServin247 @davidputney2003 @tr3ble29 @PR0LETKULT @tinscognito__ This thread is funny. A person who believes God exists, claims there is proof that God exists uses the phrase "either we have a creator or we don't". That'd be like me saying "Either I ate tacos for dinner or I didn't". Clearly if he has to say it that way, he doesn't know squat.

@donbenarfa @davidputney2003 @tr3ble29 @PR0LETKULT @tinscognito__ So it’s more logical to believe we came from NOTHING than SOMETHING? Because that’s exactly what it boils down to

@StillServin247 @davidputney2003 @tr3ble29 @PR0LETKULT @tinscognito__ That is simply untrue. It cannot be ‘illogical’ to reject something for which there is NO PROOF.

@donbenarfa @davidputney2003 @tr3ble29 @PR0LETKULT @tinscognito__ Exactly my point, the atheistic world view is meaningless, nothing happens after you die who gives a crap what you do on this life just go be a piece of shit lol. And you definitely can’t assure me of that at all

@StillServin247 @davidputney2003 @tr3ble29 @PR0LETKULT @tinscognito__ Well in that case everyone should just kill themselves as life is pointless. Just enjoy the thing man, it lasts for 80 odd years and then you will, I can assure you, have nothing else beyond that.

@psilynt @donbenarfa @davidputney2003 @tr3ble29 @PR0LETKULT @tinscognito__ Do you know what atheist means? So someone who rejects the idea of God completely has a better chance? Lmao

@StillServin247 @donbenarfa @davidputney2003 @tr3ble29 @PR0LETKULT @tinscognito__ I think the atheist, who didn't buy into any religion, has a better chance than the religious man who picked the wrong God.

@donbenarfa @davidputney2003 @tr3ble29 @PR0LETKULT @tinscognito__ But what specifically within Islam oversteps to where one can’t live life to their fullest potential? Not drinking or gambling or eating pork? Lmao It’s clear you haven’t really looked into Islam and that’s fine but we have proof these rules are divinely ordained, all 2bn of us

@StillServin247 @davidputney2003 @tr3ble29 @PR0LETKULT @tinscognito__ Obviously a subjective concept. But to be able to experience a finite life to its fullest potential. I am okay with religion as a concept, it can provide immense comfort. Yet I believe it oversteps when it enforces rules we cannot prove are divinely ordained.

@donbenarfa @davidputney2003 @tr3ble29 @PR0LETKULT @tinscognito__ How are Muslim women not given equal freedoms? Are Muslim women just sheltered uneducated slaves to you or something lmao ‘it’s all they know’. I’d be interested in knowing if you’ve ever spoken to a Muslim woman and asked her if these ‘constraints’ are all she knows

@StillServin247 @davidputney2003 @tr3ble29 @PR0LETKULT @tinscognito__ ‘Most are depressed’ is a vast generalisation too? Are Muslim women given/taught equal freedoms? No. So I can make the ‘generalisation’. Religion is a doctrine from birth, whether every Muslim woman believes in constraints is irrelevant, it’s all they know.

@donbenarfa @davidputney2003 @tr3ble29 @PR0LETKULT @tinscognito__ If there is a creator - the religious man, having lived a righteous existence will God willing go to heaven for eternity, the atheist will be in hellfire for eternity, who took the bigger risk?

@donbenarfa @davidputney2003 @tr3ble29 @PR0LETKULT @tinscognito__ Not what I’m asking though, let’s assume there is no creator at all and after we take our last breath it all just fades to black, the religious man dies and won’t remember any of his ‘constraints’, the atheist dies and he remembers none of his ‘freedoms’. If there is a creator

@donbenarfa @davidputney2003 @tr3ble29 @PR0LETKULT @tinscognito__ That’s not a contradiction - either we have a creator or we don’t doesn’t disqualify there being proof of a creator. It’s actually more illogical to believe there is no creator than to believe there is one.

@StillServin247 @davidputney2003 @tr3ble29 @PR0LETKULT @tinscognito__ ‘There is proof of God’ is a direct contradiction to ‘either we have a creator or we don’t’.

@donbenarfa @davidputney2003 @tr3ble29 @PR0LETKULT @tinscognito__ Also what is ‘freedom’ to you?

@StillServin247 @davidputney2003 @tr3ble29 @PR0LETKULT @tinscognito__ Would a Muslim woman be respected by her peers if she wished to exercise freedom? No. Although some women are undoubtedly content with their place and may feel ‘free’, you cannot say this for all Muslim women.