Tony Altimore

LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THE STATE OF COLLEGE SPORTS FINANCES: (a thread🧵) 1/ There are areas that I think the media misses the boat on the $ state of college sports It starts with revenue: Rapidly growing gaps are getting worse, and unpromoted G5s are going to be in big trouble

@RollBear00 @heremeowucla @TIMBO_SL1CE @JoyBoy_Phil @Rivals @ChadSimmons_ @GregBiggins @BrandonHuffman @CodyBellaire @samspiegs @SWiltfong_ @EJHollandOn3 @CaneSport @CalBearsOn3 If this is "not caring," than we need to get you ASAP to betterhelp.com I'm sure somebody on youtube can get you a discount code... lol.

@TJAltimore @heremeowucla @TIMBO_SL1CE @JoyBoy_Phil @Rivals @ChadSimmons_ @GregBiggins @BrandonHuffman @CodyBellaire @samspiegs @SWiltfong_ @EJHollandOn3 @CaneSport @CalBearsOn3 i really don’t care! to me he don’t go to ucla. why do u guys care so much lol

Miami and Cal are the two schools standing out for 4-star WR Eli Woodard, @GregBiggins reports👀 Woodard recently decommitted from USC. Details: on3.com/rivals/news/tw…

@RollBear00 @heremeowucla @TIMBO_SL1CE @JoyBoy_Phil @Rivals @ChadSimmons_ @GregBiggins @BrandonHuffman @CodyBellaire @samspiegs @SWiltfong_ @EJHollandOn3 @CaneSport @CalBearsOn3 "Fight battles?" Umm.. no. Just correcting one small piece of misinformation... Lord knows there's more than enough.

@TJAltimore @heremeowucla @TIMBO_SL1CE @JoyBoy_Phil @Rivals @ChadSimmons_ @GregBiggins @BrandonHuffman @CodyBellaire @samspiegs @SWiltfong_ @EJHollandOn3 @CaneSport @CalBearsOn3 man u ucla guys are so lame. try to shit post and then can’t take the heat 🤣 it’s sad he needs daddy Tony to fight his battles

@RollBear00 @heremeowucla @TIMBO_SL1CE @JoyBoy_Phil @Rivals @ChadSimmons_ @GregBiggins @BrandonHuffman @CodyBellaire @samspiegs @SWiltfong_ @EJHollandOn3 @CaneSport @CalBearsOn3 Bad news, Andy… Not only did he go to UCLA and pick it over Cal, but he comes from Golden Bear sports DNA that few can match. You gotta just eat the L on this one (I don’t have a dog in this fight, but have a similar situation with my (shhh) dark secret of Buckeye bloodlines)

@heremeowucla @TIMBO_SL1CE @JoyBoy_Phil @Rivals @ChadSimmons_ @GregBiggins @BrandonHuffman @CodyBellaire @samspiegs @SWiltfong_ @EJHollandOn3 @CaneSport @CalBearsOn3 haha keep lying man! that doesn’t prove you went to ucla!

@JordanCarrP No doubt about it!!!

Anti-24 team playoff whining misses the point: @ReceDavis: "Boo hoo... will you be excited about Oct 5th?" Yes, Rece... Not everybody is UGA. Oct 5th will matter 100x more for 50+ teams in a 24 team playoff, even if UGA vs. Bama loser gets a mulligan. That's good for CFB.

Huh? The faux-victim, wannabe-aggrieved pearl-clutching is cringe, bud Even without USC+UCLA, Pac could have taken more $$$ from ESPN than the XII got, but they didn't bother to do anything for a year (1958 deja vu) If you're going to whine, you need to at least know the facts

@TJAltimore USC and ucla leaving dramatically reduced the pac12’s media value directly resulting in the pac 12 imploding. It’s all USC and UCLA’s fault and they should be ashamed of themselves

I strongly disagree: USC + UCLA made their own decisions to move confs in both 1957 and 2022 '57 PCC + '23 Pac both ineptly then took ZERO actions to patch the holes, resulting in UW later following USC + UCLA to new confs PCC + Pac have only themselves to blame for their fate

Long answer, but needed given those clams... Not being snotty, but do you have a list of the "every bad decision" that you reference, because that doesn't seem to match actual history... Perhaps you're confusing USC with Wazzu's AD Moos or Stanford's AD Bowlsby (via Iowa), who pushed most of the worst ideas from a strategic standpoint in the 10-to-12 expansion? (They called him "Big Ten Bob," [and NOT as a compliment] because there was a reason that the smartest scientist in American history - Glenn Seaborg - and smartest university president in American history - Clark Kerr - set the newly-founded Pac up the way they did in 1958-59 in a very different way from the problematic PCC or the very different Big Ten.) At the end of the day, the key thing that wrecked the Pac was a decade of shitty football, followed by one year of doing nothing from 2022-23. If the 2010s Pac had the on-field product of the 1960s, '70s, '80s, '90s, '00s, or even 2022-24 teams, Oregon + Stanford pulled their weight for the 2010s decade, and Utah built themselves up to task FAST... but nobody else was worth a lick for more than a year or two of the decade or a quick flash in the pan. It's easy to bash Presidents - and I love to imagine a fantasy world where 2010 Pac gives WTA boss Larry Smith's riches to lure Commish Kramer's rising SEC disciple Greg Sankey instead... LOL... but fans might not want to act all superior to wildly successful multi-billion dollar CEOs because they don't understand what actually happens every 3 months at very infrequent, hour-long quarterly Zoom meetings... lol. For example: I got bad news for fans... Dr. Crow is a lot smarter than you are or I am or anybody else reading this is... lol... Even on sports. In two easy examples: He made smart bets to fund both Palentir and the Pac-12 Network. One was wildly successful... and the other would have been if they'd had teams good enough to be worth watching! The strategy and production and talent were elite... but nobody wanted to watch winless Beavs at hapless Bears, or underperfoming Trojans at woeful Zona. In another example, you can bash his Herm hiring for not working out, but he basically invested the CEO coach model with that hiring that everybody else is now suddenly using and calling themselves innovative... lol ...but even with the dumbness, the Pac would have survived + thrived by doing literally ANYTHING in 2022, The XII even laid out the roadmap for it in 2021. If they'd added SDSU + SMU + Zags in 2022, they'd be fully intact and fine today... even without USC+UCLA.

The Pac 12's demise is proof that intelligent people aren't universally intelligent. It took nearly two decades of the collective braintrust of the Pac-12's Presidents & Chancellors making bad, short-sighted decisions to kill the Pac-12. And sadly, the program that bailed first (USC) was front & center for most every bad decision made that led to their eventual fleeing to the Big Ten.

Hey hey, Jim! If USC can win games like we alums expect them to, we'll see those TV windows be much better (though we'll trade some late nights for early mornings at 9am PT) As for USC+UCLA, I think they looked at the landscape and decided a change was for the best strategically, just like in the 50s. A lot of times hindsight looks like it would give opportunities that the reality of the day didn't. For example, Idaho scoffed at the idea of the Pac founders leaving the PCC in 1958, predicting they would come crawling back in the same way many say today from the Big Ten... and I can't fathom the Cougs or Beavs negotiating away 2/3 of their revenue for 'SC+UCLA to match the Big Ten, unless they could get the "Back to the Future" time machine with dire warnings from the future. From a USC+UCLA standpoint, too, I think they thought strategically about where things were going and that it was best to do it now, rather than later... especially with the unique contractual availability that came from the expiring contracts from 2012-24 media deals.

@TJAltimore Been a while since I’ve seen a post Tony. Obviously the additional revenue was key to the move and the Rutgers/Manylands/Minn all thank thst LA market for that. But USC tv window is still the same. Peacock is a de facto Pac12 network. So why didn’t USC negatiate in the PAC?

@NMSportster @zoomcpaaa Please don't whine... lol 😉 We always want to think in forward-looking perspective Note: SP+ believes it adjusts for competition, so that wouldn't matter. It's not perfect by any means, but largely does the job well, and is better than anything public that's generally accepted

CONF STRENGTH: 🏈 SP+ by Quartiles The recent overall SP+ data release gives us a cool look at conference strength through depth. Here they are, sorted by median: (Ranks include ALL of the CFB teams at ALL levels)

People like to blame that, but if we want to get philosophical about bigger picture, situational, pre-2022 issues, the problem wasn’t the TV windows… it was not having teams good enough to warrant better TV windows, which were all available under the TV contracts. Ha… picture this: 😜 If we’d have the 80s, 90s, or 00s Pac teams playing on the 2010s TV deals, the conf would have thrived and Pac Network would have been on every cable box in the country… I agree with you on ‘SC, but I also believe that was ALSO another PAC failure to act… Compare that to how SEC, ACC, and B1G handled the NCAA. PCC sat haughty at their infamous 1956 meetings shaming teams, and Pac let USC get the same BS in 2010s… They didn’t do much for Zona hoops, either. Ha… it’s Déjà vu!

You’re totally right re: on-field product… but remember that UW’s move was the lynchpin that kept the whole thing afloat as financially viable… both in 1958 and again in 2023, because (in both cases) that knocked out all four of the biggest value brands of the time. In 2022, because the Pac Presidents did not muzzle the XII’s vulture goals and dirty tricks campaign early on (when they could have VERY easily done so early on), losing UW + UO meant losing a lot more, too In both cases, also, there were also some key academic equities that everybody forgets. 😜

@TJAltimore Cal and Stanford Killed the PAC-12. The conference would have been viable adding 8 new members from the MW and AAC until they left. SMU+Gonzaga+the top of the MW could still be a power conference. Cal should be paying UCLA since they destroyed the conference

@Genetics56 …except…. not at all. They could have been just “fine” without ‘SC & the Bruins, if they’d done… well… *anything* at all. They’d be on par with the ACC + XII… and just fine, comparatively. The problem was the doing absolutely nothing… identically in 1958 and 2023

Yes, that is all true. I am just saying the movement of the asset. Once USC was removed it died for all the reason we have already gone over since 2022.

@jeffreywatters Oh heyyyyyy... <wink wink> Can we get a DeLorean and take it back in time, because my Dad deserved a Grandson that he could have raised to throw a football with a cannon-like arm, and we could've made sure the kid was smart enough not to throw across his body (causing an INT) 🤣

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Strengthening men's soccer opportunities in the West! 💪⚽️️ 🤝 @BigWestSports 📰 pac12.me/msoc #BackThePac

END OF AN ERA? Did we strike midnight for Cinderella? Not enough focus is on the consolidation of power and success in the Big Dance this year. With 2/3 of Sweet 16 from the P2, and 100% from P4 + Big East, we see the winds of change in front of us... Even worse: Since 1966, only ONE team outside those 5 confs has won a title: Tark's (semi-pro) UNLV team in 1990.

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