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@TheGloriousLion No they look like what you perceive the range of Italian to look like
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@QTRBlackGarrett Who? Where? Surely you have an example of that happening.
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@ShitpostRock Look up the Black Pharoahs and then take note of the fact that they ruled Egypt at the exact same time the Odyssey is meant to have taken place. Helen requested medicine from the Queen of Egypt and the Greeks thought the Ethiopes were the most beautiful people on earth.
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@pensandpoison This is why you people are just lying. You do not have this smoke for Beowulf which does the exact same thing
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Liza Libes@pensandpoison·
Ben's analysis is 100% correct—but that's just the problem. Nolan imposes a Biblical moral framework onto an epic that predates Christianity by centuries, completely altering the moral universe of Homeric Greece.
Ben Shapiro@benshapiro

IMHO, a lot of conservatives are missing the Biblical forest for the woke trees in Nolan's Odyssey. Yes, the casting of Elliot Page is silly and egregious. But here's the thing: Nolan's "The Odyssey" is an apologia for Christian morality poured into a Greek vase. The entire movie is rooted in what Nolan terms "Zeus' law." That law is: "Treat others as you would want to be treated, because anyone might be a god." Now, clearly, there's nothing like that in Greek mythology. It's not implicit in Homer. It's a direct rip from Biblical morality, substituting "because anyone might be a god" for "because man was made in the image of God." Nolan then takes this rule and uses it as his moral glue: the idea is that Odysseus, in utilizing the Trojan Horse, violated Zeus' law and led to full-scale slaughter. That sin has led to the unleashing of broader globalized sin (the "sea peoples" who don't respect Zeus' law and are invading surrounding areas). This is a highly Biblical message: that sin is infectious, and that sin also affects the world at large, not just the sinner. Odysseus has sinned, and he must atone for that sin through self-imposed exile. He must also sacrifice his own aspirations to restore the possibility of a moral universe: because he has unleashed catastrophic violence and violation of Zeus' law -- manifest in the suitors' cynical use of Zeus' law to eat Penelope out of house and home -- he must violate Zeus' law one last time and then accept the penalty, which is exile. This is a not only a movie that will make millions of people go read classical literature again. It also reinforces the idea that violation of the Golden Rule has disastrous consequences. I dunno. I'd consider that, on balance, a large-scale win for civilizational values, when weighed against the woke casting of Elliot Page or the dumbass discussion over whether Lupita Nyongo is good-looking enough (she is, and for the record Diane Kruger is German, not Greek).

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@mussi3x Mihawk parrot on top too
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@PollySpin No it’s an adaptation of the Odyssey
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PollySolipsism@PollySpin·
so it's not the Odyssey
CinemaCopa@CopaExMachina

Nolan's The Odyssey isn't Homer's, it's Nolan's. It doesn't bend but breaks the foundation of who Odysseus is. By Nolan taking away Odysseus's hubris and pride, he rewrites the entire moral landscape of the tale. In Homer's poem, Odysseus is suffering from a lethal dose of vanity. The gods, particularly Poseidon, are putting a check on his arrogance. He's a man who much needs learn humility before he can touch his home soil again. Nolan's version is a man broken by a meat grinder war and gets tossed around a cold universe. His story is of endurance. He's just trying to survive. He's a man who believes his own soul is too corrupted to return to civilization. This all flips the entire architecture of Homer's Odyssey. Odysseus greatest triumph, the use of the Trojan Horse, is now his greatest shame in Nolan's Odyssey. It less about the gods punishing him, and his psychological inability to reach Ithaca. This is exactly why Nolan's Odysseus is humorless beyond belief. He can't stand that he can deceive so many so well. Every lie he conjures takes him further away from Ithaca. By centering guilt and unworthiness on Odysseus, Nolan dilutes the character to singular symbol of the guilt-ridden soldier. This characterization of Nolan's Odysseus actually ruins his third act. What did Odysseus learn from being a guilt-ridden, deceitful soldier? Well, it's best to kill 'em all and lie to them before I do it. The ending to Nolan's Odyssey is a relapse, not a resolution. His Odysseus has learned nothing on his journey. Now it's time for him and Penelope to abandon their posts. Cue the Dark Knight Rises theme. Michael Caine nods at the two of them. Roll credits.

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@DisgruntJedi The push has always been to represent cultures and populations that are historically underrepresented. The Greeks are in no way shape or form underrepresented
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Some Guy@BasedDickbutt69·
@TheGenCatton Nah Catton, this ain't it. Ancient Greece would have been 99.99% Greek. You might have had one very rare token black, zero troons, and less than zero South Koreans.
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texanconstitutionalist@texanconstitut1·
@TheGenCatton It was as homogenous as Japan or China. Probably more so. There would have been easterners and sub Saharan Africans in large population centers like Alexandria or Athens. But, they would have been rare. They were strangers who lived on the far sides of the world.
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@hyperphonk Man and male and different categories
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@martianwyrdlord That’s still not an argument or evidence. We should just believe everything without evidence because don’t worry they’ll find it one day
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John Carter@martianwyrdlord·
Most historians agreed that Troy never existed and then it was found, so.
Phil Pothen 🇨🇦 he/him@pothen

@TheBookGirl25 @fandompulse Most historians and classicists agree "Homer" was not a single, writing author. Instead the Iliad and Odyssey are the accumulation of oral traditions composed by multiple traveling bards (aoidoi) over centuries.

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@InsaneFrog Revisionism isn’t a crime and you shouldn’t be so upset about it
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Insane Frog@InsaneFrog·
You're actually a fucking retard omg In the myth Odysseus has absolutely zero regret over sacking Troy He feels sorrow and remorse over his fallen comrades, but doesn't lose a wink of sleep over besting his enemies He was PROUD of his accomplishments you revisionist fuck
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@Lord_Of_Shorvia Within that period in Greek history, Egypt was ruled by the Black Pharaohs and Helen requests medicine for grief from the Queen of Egypt. Ethiopians came to the defense of King Priam. The Greeks thought the Ethiopes were the most beautiful people on earth.
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@walterwhitepill The South is a haunted house. You’re so right
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Had never seen this movie but heard a lot about it through the culture so assumed it was good... It's basically just 2h of sneering "whitey bad, The South is a haunted house where we travel around for pop up scares of Whitey Bad". Overrated trash. Will never watch again.
Allie ✞@allie__voss

This is the only Odyssey adaptation we ever needed

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@01_IDK_01 You’re not guts lmao
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@TheLaurenChen You have to lie about other people’s arguments
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@Mephisto71870 @DarthK4iser @thhouseofblack No, it’s something Odysseus worries about. It’s a fine change for the point Nolan is trying to make. Which is that the contradictions in the stories important to our culture is what people in the future will likely focus on. Hector broke Xenia but Odysseus broke it again to win.
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The concept of Odysseus feeling guilty about sacking Troy keeps cracking me up.
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Ivan^3 +18@DarthK4iser·
@TaskNo5 @shaayy64 @thhouseofblack So this is in violation of Zeus most sacred law, but Zeus is fickle so he lets it slide, but not actually. You are just digging a deeper hole for a very bad mischaracterization and wrongful interpretation of what Greeks actually believed in
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“We are the Muses Goddess’s of the arts and proclaimers of heroes” That’s accurate lol So it’s already more faithful to it’s source material than Christopher Nolan’s Odyssey
🇵🇸The Nerd 🔜 Otakon 🇵🇸@TheNerdWASuit

Anti-woke people are truly the weakest people alive. Wait until I tell them there's a loved adaptation of Hercules where Hades talks like a scummy lawyer, Zeus is good, and the story is told by black gospel singers, one of whom is thicc and gets some of the best lines.

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