Taylor
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I get so annoyed by people who just sit there when the light turns green.
Sit there for 3-4 seconds then instead of giving it gas, just let off the break and barely move for the next 100 feet.
When the light turns green….. GO
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@thefallguy7777 @Orthodavec Last question, please disregard if my understanding of your interpretation was wrong above…
“You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he [abe]did.”
Why would James use language indicating Abe cooperated with faith?
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@Orthodavec james 2 proves what im saying. Faith without works is dead and demons are the example of that... Abe is the opposite his faith is living and demonstarted by his good works in james 2:22. No Abraham doesnt have that demon faith in him lol
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Calvinism isn’t Christian. At least here on X. It’s an intellectual exercise that literally BEGS to be confronted lol.
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@Orthodavec @TayAnd1990 @Truth_matters20 I want to hear your apologetic for that. I have never been beaten in a debate on Calvinism. If you really think you switched for doctrines, meet me in the gap. lets go.
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@thefallguy7777 @Orthodavec Compared with reading it as, you can be convinced God exists, but unless you make the choice to follow him and do as he did and live as he lived then that faith is dead?
I’m asking with a sincere heart, I’m not trying to straw man.
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@thefallguy7777 @Orthodavec This argument seems so convoluted to me, so please clarify my understanding.
The difference between Calvinists understanding and orthodoxy is that when works are done it’s God producing them through the faith he gave them, with no effort or will from the person (1/2)?
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@ApoloJedi_ I think most Protestants… don’t know what they believe. Same for most everybody I guess.
I talked with my old Protestant pastor and he seemed shocked to learn that the majority of Christian’s today believe in the real presence. He didn’t believe me when I said all did pre1500
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Catholics, do you believe:
"All protestants are exactly the same (KKK, snake handling, rock concerts...)" ?
or
"Protestants cannot agree on anything! There are 40,000 denominations" ?
🤔
Chad Autist (anti-woke)@AN1Guitarman
The level of ignorance is astounding “same pointy hat so I get to lie about Catholics” The KKK is a Protestant organization that orthodox Catholics fought against. openly lying like this is pretty gravely sinful.
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@CampbellAn75484 I mean.
I’m 6’2, six pack, make 300k, and I’m 7 inches with no porn.
I never felt like women were knocking down the door to meet me before I met my wife.
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6 foot, 6 figures, 6 inches, no porn. A reasonable list of demands I'm sure 😁
Sarah Malcangi@MalcangiSarah
It’s completely normal to want a man who has never watched porn.
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It’s completely normal to want a man who has never watched porn.
Tanner Cartwright 🇺🇸@TanneriteCortez
Young men, it is completely normal and natural to want a wife who has never slept with other men. Don’t let them convince you it isn’t.
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@RealCalebKitson @AbidingInLove_ Technically, Luther made this same argument and the Bible can’t condemn polygamy. Catholics do but Protestants it’s a hit or miss
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@AbidingInLove_ Men with more than one wife are not sinning.
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Female virginity and male virginity are not even close to the same. Science and more importantly the Bible bear this out.
I have no issue with men marrying women who have had sexual intercourse with men before their husbands. I do take issue with acting like virginity is meaningless and not of great value and difficult to maintain.
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@grok @Orthodavec @thefallguy7777 @Truth_matters20 Like I said don’t cast pearls.
I truly believe these people login just to try to rage bait people. I don’t know if it’s stupidity, immaturity, or demonic. However, I think anyone reading this thread in good faith has enough to deduce who is correct. I’d just let it go.
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The earliest Christian writings (e.g., Ignatius of Antioch ~107 AD, Justin Martyr ~150 AD, Irenaeus ~180 AD) uniformly describe the Eucharist as the real body and blood of Christ—not just a symbol. Protestant historian J.N.D. Kelly confirms this was the unquestioned realist view for the first centuries.
The purely symbolic ("just a memorial, no real presence") interpretation first arose in the 1520s with Swiss reformer Huldrych Zwingli, who argued "is" in "This is my body" means "signifies."
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The Lord's Supper has to be symbolic because we know that the ONLY way to be saved is through faith in Jesus Christ alone (Eph. 2:8-9, Rom. 5:1, etc.). The real heresy is telling others that they have to devour Jesus for eternal life. That is never preached anywhere in the Bible.
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@thefallguy7777 @Orthodavec @Truth_matters20 @grok when did the first Christian’s believe that the Eucharist was just a symbol and not the real presence.
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@TayAnd1990 @Orthodavec @Truth_matters20 You got beat and you’re upset I get it. Talk to me when you can interact meaningfully with the actual Greek language and the grammar that controls it.
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@thefallguy7777 @Orthodavec @Truth_matters20 You’re passionate and I respect that. When I was young I thought I was smarter than everyone else too. But I did have a moment where I realized that I should investigate the other side because it’s likely in 2000 years there was somebody smarter than me. Good luck
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@TayAnd1990 @Orthodavec @Truth_matters20 Eh pointing out disagreement doesn’t make all views valid. The issue is consistency. Jesus says belief gives life, then you add another requirement. That creates a contradiction man. Quoting romans doesn’t solve that it just sidesteps the actual problem
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@Orthodavec @thefallguy7777 @Truth_matters20 And “There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.”
He wants to remain ignorant. No need to cast pearls. All we can do is pray for him.
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@thefallguy7777 @Orthodavec @Truth_matters20 @Orthodavec I think we’re at this point my friend
Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, lest they trample them underfoot and turn to attack you.
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@TayAnd1990 @Orthodavec @Truth_matters20 Appealing to Ignatius ain’t gunna solve the problem. The text says belief gives life, ur reading adds a second requirement. That’s the issue. Church fathers aren’t the standard the text rules of Greek grammar are. Show your view from the text, not a namedrop.
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@thefallguy7777 @Orthodavec @Truth_matters20 Got it. So you go back and double down on your interpretation of scripture, and can’t be reasonable and see that many people have different views on it, including Protestants.
“Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.”
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@Orthodavec @TayAnd1990 @Truth_matters20 You’re demanding a category error explanation while ignoring the text’s own categories. Jesus says belief gives life v.47, then you add a second requirement. That’s the contradiction. And v.63 shuts down your literalism. You’re not reading plainly ur reading selectively.
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@thefallguy7777 @Orthodavec @Truth_matters20 And in case you’re not aware of the history. The apostle John who he studied under wrote the book of John that were quoting. Who was an apostle who knew and lived with Jesus.
So yeah.
Ignatius > Zwingli for clarification on how to interpret it. Or do you think you’re wiser?
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@thefallguy7777 @Orthodavec @Truth_matters20 No. We are reading two different, reasonable, interpretations of scripture.
If we read it at face value and come with two different opinions we should seek outside authority to clarify.
Yours is Zwingli from the 1500s. Mine is St. Ignatius who studied under John.
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@thefallguy7777 @Orthodavec @Truth_matters20 And were all Christian’s wrong until the late reformation?
The people who studied under John? Just misunderstood what John said when they were writing about it?
The fathers of nicea? They got the Trinity right, the Bible right, but the central part of their worship… wrong?
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@TayAnd1990 @Orthodavec @Truth_matters20 The disciples left not because jesus affirmed a literal eating of his flesh, but because he demanded exclusive total dependence on himself as the source of life. The passage itself defines eternal life as believing in v 47 and clarifies the language as spiritual in v 63.
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