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@_LewisLFC @sartejt I think claiming that he's set the entire movement for change back 30 years because he's not a great debater is a little dramatic

@TheBigMav2 @sartejt and i don’t disagree with the principle behind Gary’s stance, im not a fan of how he handles himself in the moments where he needs to defend his stance.

Gary Stevenson has set us back 30 years pushing his angle with pure rhetoric. Even if his overall goal is right, you can’t posture yourself as an elite economist and then base your entire stance on vague nothingness.

@_Unknown_D_ No it isn't.

Gary’s a self absorbed narcicist, he does not respond to reason or facts. He's not just misinformed, his platform is a threat to the prosperity of this country.

@_LewisLFC @sartejt That's Gary's entire point...

The greatest growth in capitalisms history in the UK and the US, and even recently China, all happened under left economic demand centred economics. Otherwise known as Keynesian economics. Everything we’ve seen since Thatcher has just been the nation selling its wealth to subsidise the economy while industry monopolies and real estate capture the value. Trickle down economics is running out of time.

@Christinevfip @JackWDart Lol tilted

@JackWDart Well you’ve been laughed at your entire life jack. Puny little vile creature that you are.

It’s hard to imagine a worse 2 days for Nigel Farage. He resigned as MP for Clacton thinking it would be a masterstroke, and it’s turned into the opposite. Every major party pulled out, leaving him fighting Count Binface, and his own spokespeople have spent that time embarrassing themselves trying to defend it. There’s no way back now. And still, defiantly, Reform is uploading full campaign videos like they’re not in a contest with a bin. Being hated is one thing. Being laughed at is the end.

@c55119361 @JackWDart Undemocratic fools lmao

@JackWDart Do you think Brits going to take notice of such infantile behavior? It is just the other parties terrified they will be beaten so they show themselves up for the ridiculously undemocratic fools they are! BinFace is a comic character-of no importance to anyone with IQ over 20!

@ElContador2000 @JackWDart Hahaha ultimate eye opener

You just don't get it do you? Calling Farage's masterclass a disaster just because the other parties couldn't be bothered to show up proves you're the one stuck in the clown car. That empty ballot exposes the raw contempt politicians hold for voters, treating elections like private clubs rather than public mandates, and you've somehow spun it as Reform's embarrassment. Farage didn't backfire, he staged the ultimate eye-opener, forcing the establishment to reveal their disdain while he lets Clacton decide, turning your "laughed at" narrative into the biggest own goal of the week.

@ianclare865355 @JackWDart Lol

@JackWDart Dya know what 🤡…. You can post all yer pathetic comments all you like… the word on the street is .. this witch-hunt was always gonna come… and it reaffirms… how right we are 🤗🤫🖕🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧… UP REFORM

@ashhhcs @YNk Found your analysis very insightful. Can't believe that was your debut! Hopefully see you on another desk soon.

Sacked for punching @YNk in the face. Ridiculous. Really enjoyed it, thank you so much for everyone who gave me advice and helped me feel welcomed I'll give an update soon on what my future plans are, thanks for all the support ❤️

@G2CSGO This content is grim FYI

Enjoy

@jonlxz @TheAliceSmith You're right, the actions of an MP have far wider implications!

@TheBigMav2 @TheAliceSmith Comparing a surgeon to a member of Parliament 🫪🤣! The greens aren't serious!

I can’t help thinking that this new anti-alcohol purge by the Greens has a particular voting bloc in mind…

It absolutely bizarre how PMQs had devolved into a sort of comedy roast style event where the prime minister doesn't try to answer the questions but just pivots to an unrelated jibe about the questioners party

An actor who played a character so perfectly that nobody else could ever top it. GIFS ONLY.

@Bweaver_87 @Fx1Jonny No..

@Fx1Jonny I don’t know why you are applauding exploitative labour forced on minorities from other countries…isn’t that literally slavery? 🤔

Nigel Farage has managed to conn millions of people by playing on their bigotry and racism. Every single PM prior to him has promised to “cut migration” or “stop the boats” or “cut net migration” All buzzwords. What he’s not telling you is most migrants come over and do low paid low skilled jobs which the corporate elite need for exploitative labour to get rich of their hard work. In the 70’s Margaret Thatcher attacked the workers unions and broke them apart and took away more and more workers protection rights which led to more and more reduced wages. Now native Brits generally don’t want to do these jobs like working on farms, care industries etc. But the migrants are happy to fill that void because many come from literally the worst conditions war torn countries etc. Nigel Farage I guarantee will not be allowed to “keep his promises” because his bosses won’t allow that because it will eat into their profits! You’ve all been played.

@alexmoran @SoRareMcGee @AntSpeaks I haven't but OK. Keep paying a tenner a month to pontificate to 500 people!

@TheBigMav2 @SoRareMcGee @AntSpeaks Whatever mate. You're making literally no sense and contradicting yourself. Have a good day.

When I hear someone like Gary Stevenson talk and it sounds like an overly forced “hood” dialect, and where his pronunciations sound as if he’s speaking with a severely congested nose, it’s usually a good indicator that a person like that is not the brightest and shouldn’t be taken seriously. I don’t care for his “achievements.” Many idiots have reached some level of success by accident or by having the ability to navigate a very niche area. If that makes me sound arrogant and judgemental, then so be it. This clip alone should leave you feeling nothing but second hand embarrassment for Gary in how eloquently his points are dismantled by the gentleman in this video.

@alexmoran @SoRareMcGee @AntSpeaks Haha I've not dodged anything i have limited characters. You're ignoring what I'm saying. Creating theoretical value is not the same as creating tangible wealth.

Well, yes. You're kind of proving my point here. Money changes hands at an agreed price based on the perceived value of a product or service. Things can increase in value without using any further resources, therefore creating additional wealth without removing money from anyone else's pocket. Someone would pay £10 for a bottle of water in the desert if they were dehydrated, but maybe wouldn't pay the same price at home where there is an abundance of water. Capatalism 101. No one is forcing anyone to buy or sell anything; if someone wants to buy, and someone wants to sell, both parties are happy. Buyer pays X amount, and seller receives the same amount. What is your point here? You've dodged every single question I've asked, not offered any viable counter solutions, and just tried to redefine the definition of "wealth" whilst reiterating that rich people have more than others and it should be taken from them and redistributed.

@alexmoran @SoRareMcGee @AntSpeaks Yes but the value isn't realised until the money changes hands, which is moving money from buyer to seller. The only point of the creation of wealth is the resource that it substitutes.

Seriously? Realised wealth is obviously created. Calling it a “transfer” is like saying a baker doesn’t create wealth by turning flour, water and heat into bread people willingly buy. Paper valuations can obviously be manipulated, but that’s why markets, competition, and actual realised sales (like my house example) are the real test Loans against assets aren’t infinite free money, they’re bets on future productivity and value creation. If the value isn’t there when realised, the loans don’t get repaid and the “billionaires” lose too. Wealth IS NOT a fixed pie. Growing the pie through production and voluntary exchange is how living standards rise for everyone, not by pretending it’s zero-sum and redistributing it willy nilly based on vibes ffs

@alexmoran @SoRareMcGee @AntSpeaks Realised wealth cannot be created, value on paper yes, but realised gain is a transfer from one place to another. Paper value is very easy to manipulate which is why the uber wealthy can secure loan securities so easily.

Yeah I agree there does need to be a cap, but a general wealth tax is not the answer and won’t fix anything. Some resources may be finite, but “wealth” is not. You also just said in another comment that “wealth can’t be created” so I’m inclined to ignore any further responses as that suggests you have no idea what you’re actually talking about.

@alexmoran @SoRareMcGee @AntSpeaks If you're a billionaire, we're not talking about active work, income is passive with virtually zero risk. It's asset hoovering and actually means active businesses cannot compete. It's doesn't create opportunities it reduces them.

You're not giving any valid arguments to back up your claims, or Gary's. It's just pure envy reading as "It's not fair someone else has more than others. We should take it from them and share it out" Let's say someone has £1b worth of assets, or a billion dollar business. You introduce a wealth tax, they sell properties, they cut people's jobs, they downsize and liquidate assets to afford the wealth tax, you take it from them, give it out, or give it to the government, now there is just one less wealthy person and fewer jobs available. It doesn't actually solve any of your issues. It's just taking someone else's wealth from them for no reason because they have more than others.

@alexmoran @SoRareMcGee @AntSpeaks Again you're looking at a micro level transaction and we're talking macro. If a billionaire can do that thousands of times, they run out of people who can buy the house for £500,000. Money is a subsistute for finite resources, you can't exponentially grow, so you need a cap.

To dumb it down in the most basic way possible: Say I buy a bit of land for £100,000. I spend £250,000 on materials and labour to build a house. I then sell that house for £500,000. I pay around £50,000 in taxes after claiming back expenses. I’m left with £450,000 and £100,000 profit. I’ve created that £100,000 of value, and if i take it out of my company as personal income, I’ll be taxed on it again. It hasn’t come from anyone else, I haven’t stolen it from anyone. It wasn’t there to begin with. It’s not as if that £100,000 comes out of a big pot of money that could have been given out to less fortune people. I’ve increased my net worth and built something of value. I’ve employed people to build it. They’ve gained money, I’ve gained money, and we’ve all paid taxes on our income. I’ve taken the risk of investing my own money to start with, if the house didn’t sell for what I hoped, or costs were higher than expected, then I could have lost my money. Why should people be penalised for taking these risks, or have the wealth they have created be taken from them?