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A thread of publically available information and suppositions in regard to Rt Hon Sir Keir Starmer QC without any specific allegation attached:
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bread and poses
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bread and poses
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if you are reading this my adhd pills have run out
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We should form a broad church alliance (with the nationalists to break up the UK)
H 🚩@recyclops98
I wrote about this for @prometheus_mag a few months back
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I did wonder if they really recognised it was a massive risk or if they actually did believe the "its Andy,,, in Manchester" hype?
Tom Scotson@_tomscotson
I believe Team Burnham got their heads together for the first time this morning to think through what Andy’s campaign will look like
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Political capital isn't like currency, you can't save it up in your bank account. You look and act like a winner or you're not.
Tim Simon🇵🇸@TimSimonH
@greenprogressve It isn't in the Greens interest to stand.They can get more political capital by standing down. Can't win & if Reform win the mantra vote Green get Reform will be boosted.Activists in the area are exhausted and fighting a bye election is expensive. Save the resources for the Mayor
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Why would people vote Greens for Mayor when they would have just told you that Labour are worth standing down for?
Tim Simon🇵🇸@TimSimonH
@greenprogressve It isn't in the Greens interest to stand.They can get more political capital by standing down. Can't win & if Reform win the mantra vote Green get Reform will be boosted.Activists in the area are exhausted and fighting a bye election is expensive. Save the resources for the Mayor
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The more frightened Labour MPs are of the Greens, the more scope any new PM will have to bully them into accepting significant social democratic reforms: if the Greens back down the median Labour MP will pocket the win, and go back to worrying about Reform and the bond market.
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FWIW it seems to me that the Greens have to fight hard in the by-election. Voters are smart enough to figure out the numbers and vote accordingly. If enough of them can't stomach voting Labour, that's a Labour problem, not a Green one. The next Labour PM will still ...
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What commitments could he seriously make at this stage? How would it work functionally?
Adam Ramsay@AdamRamsay
I’m personally in favour of Greens demanding serious commitments to major political systems reform and, if they are forthcoming, standing aside. But, just as much, I think the party should recognise that by-elections often have national implications, and have a mechanism for the national membership to vote on such decisions.
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"Greater Manchester’s Bee Network is the most instructive public transport experiment in Britain not because it is radical in design but because it works"
You're all pathetic.
The New Statesman@NewStatesman
THE CASE FOR MANCHESTERISM by @DantonsHead Ask someone in Wythenshawe or Rochdale whether the buses are better than they were three years ago and they will say yes. Greater Manchester’s Bee Network is the most instructive public transport experiment in Britain not because it is radical in design but because it works. Since franchising began under Andy Burnham’s leadership, passenger numbers have risen for the first time in a generation. Routes have expanded into communities that private operators had abandoned as insufficiently profitable. Fares are capped at levels the deregulated system could not deliver. The model is now spreading. A public operator optimising for coverage and frequency rather than fare recovery serves a social need that private calculation screens out, while reducing system costs through public coordination. Manchesterism works. Public control of essentials reduces the cost of provision by eliminating the privatisation premium and lowering coordination frictions, which in turn reduces the fiscal transfers required to make essentials accessible – progressively deflating the upward pressure on public spending that currently exposes the country to the harsh judgement of bond markets. Rebuilding public provision is not the alternative to fiscal prudence. It is fiscal prudence. What has been done for buses can be done with similar ambition for energy, water, housing, and care. The architecture operates at multiple scales simultaneously: national corporations for network infrastructure like energy and water, regional and municipal authorities for transport and housing, municipal providers for care and local services. The institutional template is already being built, sector by sector, in the places that have chosen to reclaim public control. That is why this is an argument for Manchesterism rather than a blueprint for Whitehall – its political character is decentralised, plural and democratically accountable. The question is whether national politics has the ambition to match it.
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Which they do by saying 1) our current government is also fash 2) Burnham isn't changing that 3) he's an empty suit who needs handholding to win a seat then he's not going to see off Reform
Tom Gann@Tom_Gann
And, I think this view is held by a lot of Green voters, and probably members. I think the Greens rolling over would be a mistake, but they need to extricate themselves from the implications of an argument they've been making.
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totally agree with this - notion that the greens should automatically roll over for some sort of ‘greater good’ against reform is for the birds. the only way labour won’t immediately capitulate to the far right is with a strong left holding their feet to the proverbial fire
bat020@bat020
my instinct fwiw is that the Greens should stand in Makerfield, and Burnham needs that pressure on his left flank to avoid melting. it will be good for him, and good for the Greens to plant a flag + point a gun at his back.
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@mynnoj Exactly. He loses and it'll go to some whatever generic soft left type is actually available in parliament. Miliband probably. That's fine.
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@breadandposes It's more important that the greens show they are an electoral force than it is to get some guy with shit policies elected so he can become the leader of labour
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God here comes the progressive alliance melt brigade again. Burnham hasn't even made a commitment.
Caroline Lucas@CarolineLucas
I hope this isn’t true. There are times when it’s more important to put country before party. This is one of them. Burnham’s longstanding commitment to a fairer voting system could transform our democracy & counter dire threat of a Reform UK government theguardian.com/politics/2026/…
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Hey look the Labour Party candidate is standing for unite
Alexandra Rogers@alexrogerssky
🚨Exc: Unite has just called its election for General Secretary Simon Dubbins, Unite’s international director, is running against current GS Sharon Graham, who is seeking a second term He says the union needs a ‘new start’ to ‘take the fight to Farage’ ‘Our union has a unique responsibility and obligation to reunite working people and take the fight to Farage. Our political priority will be stopping a Reform government.’
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@cymrurouge Sharon Graham stays winning by adopting the devious strategy of campaigning based on the actual job she is running for
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just on this alone am pretty sure I'll be voting for the incumbent
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not comvinced a prospective union GS should be pitching as a 'stop farage' candidate tbh, just don't see it as helpful
Alexandra Rogers@alexrogerssky
🚨Exc: Unite has just called its election for General Secretary Simon Dubbins, Unite’s international director, is running against current GS Sharon Graham, who is seeking a second term He says the union needs a ‘new start’ to ‘take the fight to Farage’ ‘Our union has a unique responsibility and obligation to reunite working people and take the fight to Farage. Our political priority will be stopping a Reform government.’
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this seems totally incoherent to me. if Burnham will be an Atlanticist pro-Israel militarist, how can the Greens go into a coalition with him without totally destroying their own appeal as an alternative to a failed & morally bankrupt establishment, thus strengthening Reform?
Ally Fogg@AllyFogg
8/ I think it’s highly likely that an anti-Reform coalition will need to be built after the next GE. 9/ For all those reasons I lean towards thinking the Greens shouldn’t put any resources into Makerfield. If we split the vote & let Reform in it could hurt us badly.
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@AdamRamsay @mrjamesmack But unless that authority is Andy Burnham public statements saying he will aim to bring electoral reform forward in this parliament what does that amount to?
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@mrjamesmack I’m not sure this is the right place for this chat, but I have it on good authority that Burnham’s commitment to serious reform of Westminster are sincere…
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the fact that the Green decision about whether and who to stand in Makersfield will be made locally, not by Zack, is a feature, not a bug - genuinely trusting the members gets the best results, they know the national context as well as anyone and the local context far better
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@AdamRamsay @mrjamesmack Would be impossible to organise nationally. Think you can set out policy nationally for general elections that are planned. Look at Richmond Park for example of how badly interference in local democratic processes goes
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@mrjamesmack I think in normal general elections, it should be up to local parties, but in reality, by-elections often have national implications, and so the people impacted are the national party.
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Andy Burnham has indicated he might look at electoral reform. Dare to dream people
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