@ShaambaBaashdi @KennethLPearce He got it from Aquinas, who got it from ibn Sina.
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Jeremy Pierce
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Jeremy Pierce
@TheParableMan
Ph.D. philosophy. Syracuse Univ, Le Moyne College. Author, A Realist Metaphysics of Race. Covenant member, Missio Church. Cowardly use of insults = instablock.
Syracuse, NY Katılım Mayıs 2011
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@KennethLPearce Something something modernism, something something nominalism.
In my extremely minimal philosophical knowledge, I do appreciate Leibniz's cosmological argument above all the others, even if I feel uncertain about it now.
Plus, Brian May looks like him; I can't hate him.
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@Marshwiggle119 @NeilShenvi No, I have philosophical convictions that tell me that it's literally impossible, in principle, for it to have a worldview. It's not the sort of thing that can have a view, never mind a worldview. It's not about detecting or spotting it. It's like saying a rock has a worldview.
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@TheParableMan @NeilShenvi I understand you think the system can make mistakes.
And you think the system does not have an underlying worldview.
And your (presumably above average) ability to read theology and Bible outputs is such that you do not detect that underlying worldview.
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“AI is not an idol. Not necessarily. Done right, AI doesn’t threaten the preacher…AI — used wisely in its present form and in future uses we cannot conceive of yet — will make good and faithful preachers even better.”
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@Marshwiggle119 @NeilShenvi William James has some pretty strong arguments for not letting that keep you from believing things, even if you don't have certainty about whether they are true. We really couldn't live our lives with such a standard.
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@Marshwiggle119 @NeilShenvi Then you misunderstand me. I am well aware of the dangers of not being in a position to evaluate what AI hands to you. If you can't evaluate it, there are huge risks in terms of getting fed false information. But of course that's true of any source of information.
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@LqLana @jamestalarico What's wrong with holding it upside down?
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Let them know @jamestalarico
The guy who can't name a book in the Bible. Can't recite a scripture. Holds bibles upside down. Made a grift of selling Bibles for 50-60 dollars and steals from charities, had the nerve to say that @jamestalarico “insults Jesus”
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@LukithunderEWC I don't think that's a good thing.
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@TheParableMan There have admittedly been many cases where I wanted to like or retweet something but didn’t because of who tweeted it.
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Worth observing: AOC posted this. Ramesh Ponnuru (a conservative political commentator) retweeted it. What she says here is entirely correct. non-partisan, and morally important. Ask yourself if whether you would retweet this depends on who posted it.
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This is sad. I know as a politician these companies are going to spend a billion dollars against me for saying it but 🤷🏽♀️ Pervasive gambling is not good for society. It turns life into a casino, traps people in addiction & debt, surges domestic violence, and fosters manipulation.
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@Marshwiggle119 @NeilShenvi Well, it's capable of doing things much faster. It's better in that respect. It's also capable of adjusting when you tell it to stop doing something. There are probably numerous ways it's better, even if there are many ways it's worse.
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@TheParableMan @NeilShenvi And I'm not saying don't use at all. But I think I see in the article, and I am much more sure I see in you, a willingness to see AI as better than a hostile intelligent persuasive knowledgeable source.
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@Marshwiggle119 @NeilShenvi But on the worldview thing, the danger isn't that it has some worldview, like Bultmann does. It's that it has none and isn't evaluating stuff based on whether it's right. It's evaluating stuff based on what it expects you to want it to say. And it makes mistakes and hallucinates.
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@Marshwiggle119 @NeilShenvi Right, but it's in the same category as Bultmann. You have to evaluate it. That's not a "don't use" category. It's a "use carefully" category. Which is what the article says and what Neil has been saying.
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@LukithunderEWC Right, but almost half of American history is post-slavery. I don't think it counts as most if it's slightly over half. Most is a good bit more than half.
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@TheParableMan I say “most” because slavery wasn’t fully racialized at first in the colonies until it slowly but surely became so throughout the course of the 17th century and became essentially a racial caste by the end of the 17th to the beginning of the 18th century.
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It wasn’t confined by race by most of human history, it WAS for most of American history, so yeah it’s complex.
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Thomas Sowell: “Slavery was not confined by race. It was not defined or created by race. It existed for thousands of years. A history professor once had a student come up to him and ask, ‘When did slavery begin?’ The real question is: when did freedom begin? Slavery existed as long as we have records. From archaeological findings, we know that people were enslaving other people before they could read or write. It has always existed and has existed all over the world. The number of White people enslaved by pirates in North Africa was greater than the number of Africans brought to the United States. And yet, that’s not even mentioned.”
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@Marshwiggle119 @NeilShenvi Of course. Why not? I read commentaries by people that I don't think are regenerate. They are still good scholars, and their research helps in my understanding of the text.
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@TheParableMan @NeilShenvi Yes, I read the article. Long before this, I've done my own investigations. Yes, AI knows the theology, the orthodoxy. Yes, it is willing to answer from that perspective. Yes, it is persuasive.
So are some unbelieving humans. Want those helping a sermon?
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@Marshwiggle119 @NeilShenvi In other words, it has no worldview. In fact, it can't have a worldview, in principle. It has no beliefs, no desires. It's merely imitating what is in its database. And if your queries lead it to Matthew Henry, RC Sproul,, and John Piper, then that is what it imitates.
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@Marshwiggle119 @NeilShenvi The default isn't atheism. The default is what it thinks you want it to say. If it thinks you want to hear atheism, it will give you that. If it thinks you want orthodox thinking and rich theology from a conservative evangelical point of view, that is what it will give you.
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@LukithunderEWC @NeilShenvi He might not hit 3% if he does that, though.
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@NeilShenvi Hitler was bad is low hanging fruit and everyone who isn’t an extremist supports that position. What’ll REALLY dwindle it down is if you changed 2) to “the 2020 election wasn’t stolen”
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I am forming a new radical centrist political party based on two key positions:
1) Men are not women
2) Hitler was bad.
I’m confident I can win the support of at least 3% of Twitter users.
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@Bible__Guy @NeilShenvi You sound like a wonderful person. Exactly the sort of person who would engage in a fair debate. I have two rules for blocking -- using the word "retard" and attributing bad motives/name-calling. You've pretty much fulfilled the second one. So bye.
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@TheParableMan @NeilShenvi It’s typical for someone to hide behind a comment thread instead using the courage to debate on a livestream where they can be easily humiliated and refuted.
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"Anyone who affirms the Nicene Creed is a Christian."
"Slaveowners were not Christians."
You can't affirm both.
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@Bible__Guy @NeilShenvi What is wrong with it being typical for someone with zero time to post a couple comments but not to dedicate a lengthy amount of time to debating a silly issue with a complete stranger?
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@TheParableMan @NeilShenvi So you’ll debate in a comment thread but not a livestream?😭
Typical.
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@Bible__Guy @NeilShenvi Can't think of a reason why I would.
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@TheParableMan @NeilShenvi Do you want to debate this on a livestream ?
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