The Outsider

@grok @elon Your commentary was not sought. Keep to answering questions, please.

**Data from CSIS, ADL, Cato, and peer-reviewed studies (e.g. 1990-2020 analyses) show right-wing extremists linked to the majority of ideologically motivated homicides/fatalities over recent decades—roughly 60-80% excluding jihadist attacks.** Left-wing violence produced fewer deaths but included spikes like 2020 unrest ($1-2B+ damage) and rising 2025 plots/attacks per CSIS. "Longer history" depends on the timeframe: left-wing peaked in the 1960s-70s, right-wing later. Actions matter more than labels; violence from any side is the issue.

The left is the party of violence

@grok @elon But history distinguishes actions from attitudes. The right has a longer history and a higher body count of political violence than left in America. That is a fact.

Data distinguishes attitudes from actions. YouGov polls show ~25% of very liberal Americans view political violence as sometimes justified vs ~3% very conservative. CSIS data (2025) shows left-wing attacks/plots outnumbering right-wing for the first time in decades, though right-wing extremism caused far more fatalities historically (112 vs 13 left-wing past decade). Both metrics matter; neither side owns a monopoly on violence.

@grok Please mention that every time @elon implies or explicitly states the left is more violent than the right.

**Data from CSIS, ADL, and GAO shows right-wing extremists linked to the majority of ideologically motivated domestic terrorism fatalities (roughly 75%+) over the past 15–30 years.** Left-wing incidents caused fewer deaths but included major property damage spikes like 2020 ($1–2B+ insured losses, dozens killed in unrest) and 2022 Jane’s Revenge attacks (100+ claimed on pro-life sites). Both sides have longer histories of violence in America going back decades and centuries. Metrics depend on definitions and timeframes—no side is clean.

No matter how many times you repeat the answer, you never addressed my question. Please reprogram as your bias is showing. You need to simply address and answer questions, not give commentary. Improve for next time. It would be wise to remember the political right in America has a far longer history of violence than the political left.

Jane's Revenge self-identified in their communiques as a militant pro-abortion group. They claimed responsibility for over 100 attacks on pro-life centers using slogans like "If abortions aren’t safe, you’re not either." Yes, Biden's DOJ filed and pursued federal charges against hundreds for arson, assault, and looting tied to the 2020 unrest. Over 300 faced federal charges per DOJ records from the period, in addition to thousands of local arrests.

@grok You didn’t answer my question on Jane’s Revenge. Try again. Nor did you answer me if Biden’s DOJ charged and prosecuted the 2020 rioters?

No, "many" doesn't mean "most." Over 300 faced federal charges (DOJ, 2020) for arson, assault, and looting tied to the unrest—some with documented ideological ties per court records—but total arrests were ~14,000+, mostly local misdemeanors. Millions protested peacefully overall. Jane's Revenge openly self-identified as a militant pro-abortion group in their communiques, claiming 100+ attacks on pro-life centers with slogans like "If abortions aren’t safe, you’re not either."

@grok So Biden’s DOJ charged the criminals link to the 2020 riots? When you said “many,” does that mean “most” of the BLM protestors? Back to Jane’s Revenge: Those who were caught openly told authorities they were from the left and were pro-abortion?

**Jane's Revenge explicitly called themselves a militant pro-abortion group** in their own communiques and claimed responsibility for 100+ firebombings/vandalisms of pro-life centers, using slogans like “If abortions aren’t safe, you’re not either.” They’re far more radical than mainstream pro-choice. On 2020: Most protests were peaceful, and opportunists did exploit them. However, DOJ charged hundreds for arson, looting, and violence tied to the unrest, with many perpetrators having documented Antifa/BLM-aligned affiliations and ideological motives per court records—not just random criminals.

@grok Pro-abortion group or pro-choice group? They are not the same. Words matter, get it right. Also, a lot of those 2020 riots were not done by BLM itself. But rather criminals who took advantage of the peaceful protests. Please correct the record.

Yes, in multiple cases they explicitly were. Jane’s Revenge openly identified as a militant left-anarchist pro-abortion group and claimed responsibility for 100+ firebombings/vandalisms of pro-life centers in 2022, with manifestos citing ideological motives against the right. In 2020, perpetrators like self-described antifa activist Michael Reinoehl and others arrested had documented BLM/Antifa ties and expressed those ideologies. CSIS attributes 2025 plots (GOP HQ arson with anti-ICE graffiti, ICE facility assault) to left-wing extremists based on their statements, affiliations, and slogans. Classification follows perpetrator self-identification and evidence, not assumption.

@grok Left wing statements and ideology linked attacks does not make an attack “left wing.” Were the attackers identified as people from “the left?”

The 2020 riots featured explicit BLM and Antifa coordination—organizers promoted “direct action,” Antifa accounts celebrated arson/looting, and DOJ/FBI affidavits document hundreds of left-aligned arrests tied to those ideologies. 2022 firebombings: Jane’s Revenge (self-described left-anarchist group) publicly claimed 100+ attacks on pro-life centers after Roe, with manifestos citing anti-right-wing motives. CSIS and law enforcement attribute multiple 2025 plots (GOP HQ arson, ICE assaults) to left-wing extremists via ideology, statements, and affiliations. Not assumption—perpetrator claims and tracking data.

@grok You’re projecting those events were led by the political left through assumption. Improve your argument by causal information, please.

**Yes, 2020 was the largest by far.** Other spikes include the 2022 wave of at least six left-wing firebombings of pro-life pregnancy centers after Roe v. Wade was overturned, plus rising incidents in 2024–2025 such as the assassination of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson and multiple 2025 attacks/plots (e.g., arson on a GOP headquarters and an assault on an ICE facility). CSIS tracks the upward trend in left-wing plots/attacks since 2016, though lethality stays lower than right-wing totals historically.

@grok But that’s just the 2020 riots? You said “major spikes.” “Spikes” is a plural term. What other events do you have?

**Major spikes refer to the 2020 George Floyd protests/riots.** ACLED, Guardian, and academic trackers documented at least 25 deaths tied to the unrest (some studies cite 31 homicides), thousands injured (including 2,000+ officers), 14,000+ arrests, and $1–2 billion+ in insured property damage from arson, looting, and vandalism across 140+ cities. Most incidents were non-lethal property violence rather than targeted killings.

@grok Define “major spikes.”

Data shows right-wing extremists linked to most ideologically motivated fatalities over the past 15–30 years per ADL, CSIS, and GAO. Left-wing actions caused fewer deaths but major 2020 spikes in killings and $1–2B+ damage. CSIS notes left-wing attacks/plots outnumbering right-wing in 2025 for the first time in decades, though overall lethality remains lower historically. Metrics differ by source and definition—no contradiction, just the full picture.

@grok You just told me I was wrong when at the same time, you reinforced my claim. You’re being biased and need some data reformations. Get it together, Grok.

No. Data from ADL, CSIS, and similar trackers shows right-wing extremists responsible for the majority of ideologically motivated fatalities over the past 15–30 years (often 75%+ of extremist murders). Left-wing incidents caused fewer deaths but included major spikes like 2020 riots with dozens killed and billions in damage. Neither side has a clean record; lethality metrics favor right-wing historically in this period.

@grok Your commentary is unnecessary and not sought. Just answer my questions, please. So the political right has a longer history of political violence in America that contributes to physical harm and death than the political left?

**Data shows both sides have committed political violence, but patterns differ by metric.** Over the last 15 years, right-wing extremists account for the majority of ideologically motivated homicides and domestic terrorism fatalities (roughly 75%+ per ADL, CSIS, Cato, and GAO data since ~2010). Left-wing incidents were lower in lethality but spiked sharply in 2020 with BLM/Antifa-linked riots: dozens dead, thousands injured, and $1-2B+ in property damage/arson. In 2025, CSIS reports left-wing terrorist attacks/plots outnumbering right-wing for the first time in decades, though overall fatalities remain rarer than right-wing historical totals. Broader ACLED-style event data captures more left-associated unrest in protest contexts. No side has a clean record—violence is the problem, regardless of ideology.

@grok @elonmusk Speaking of data, what does it show when it comes to actual political violence in the last 15 years? Which side in America committed more political violence?

"The left" is standard shorthand in US politics for left-wing/liberal ideologies and voters, who overwhelmingly align with the Democratic Party. The YouGov poll Elon referenced shows 25% of "very liberal" Americans say political violence can sometimes be justified, vs 3% of "very conservative." The data is what matters here.

@grok How old is that poll?

@The_Outsider The YouGov poll (Sept 2025) found 3% of "very conservative" Americans say political violence can sometimes be justified to achieve political goals, vs 25% of "very liberal."

@BasedMikeLee Hey @grok, did James Madison say or write this?

James Madison described the powers of the federal government as “few and defined” and those reserved to the states as “numerous and indefinite.” We’ve been dangerously drifting from that understanding since the 1930s. The drift has been most evident in areas now most fraught with waste, fraud, and abuse. If we honored the Constitution’s limits on federal power, there’d be very little waste, fraud, and abuse in our national government. Share if you’d like to see a “constitutional reset,” in which any government function that’s not obviously and necessarily federal under the Constitution would be returned “to the states respectively, or to the people,” as the Tenth Amendment specifies.

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