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THE CHURCH AND THE POLITICAL In his book The Church (1995), Edmund Clowney describes positively the role of church members and officers in a democracy. While we can always quibble and say, "bUt wE'Re A rEpUBliC!" his points still stand. Regarding the laity, Clowney says they ought to "consult together on political issues" (192). Clowney does not take time to outline what level of organization or action this "consultation" may or should reach, but he certainly doesn't promote the seemingly ubiquitous poo-pooing of politics as one of many "idols" that Christians may be tempted toward. This is because Clowney recognizes that, at root, politics is the science of loving your neighbor and is therefore eminently worthy of Christian attention. He has more to say about the role of church officers. "So, too, the special officers of the church must provide biblical guidance and wisdom to assist in Christian analysis of political questions. The church has a prophetic role to perceive and expose ethical questions that underlie political issues. Where God has spoken in condemning sin, whether sodomy or financial exploitation, the church cannot be silent" (192-193). As the chapter continues, Clowney does make clear his disapproval of an overtly "Christian" state. I disagree with him on this point (as does, I believe, the bulk of the Protestant tradition). Presently, however, I want to discuss the good positive instruction he provided above. 1) Providing biblical guidance and wisdom to assist in Christian analysis of political questions. This is a simple question of shepherding. As Clowney noted, our form of government entrusts political responsibility and authority to each citizen of the nation. Just as any given man may be a husband, father, and employee, he is also a citizen. It seems that many conservative churches have emphasized the former roles but have neglected to shepherd the flock in the exercise of their citizenship. Instead, they incessantly remind the flock that they are "citizens of the heavenly kingdom" as a means of discouraging (purportedly) undue political interest. Interestingly, they tend not to remind the saints that they are "members of the heavenly family" as a means of encouraging neglect of their natural familial duties. But this rhetoric is actively used against so-called "idolatry" of the political. Speaking positively, what does it look like to provide the flock with "biblical guidance and wisdom" for political questions? Realistically, it probably looks like a more moderated commitment to book-by-book, verse-by-verse preaching to allow for topical sermons when the need arises. The members of each flock are searching for answers to these contentious questions, and it is not a matter of if they will find answers, but where. Will they get answers from thoughtful and accountable elders who care for their souls, or internet pundits who are largely seeking clicks? It also means considering whether any given text that is being preached has application to the life of the citizen in the same way we also look for application in the spheres of family and work. Our churches are full of citizens, but those citizens receive very little teaching on how their faith ought to inform their political engagement. And now, even the fig leaf defense that churches might lose their tax-exempt status for such political discussion has been removed. 2) Still under the heading of the duties of church officers, Clowney says that the church has a "prophetic role to perceive and expose ethical questions that underlie political issues." Whereas point one addressed how pastors shepherd their own flock and the communication was Pastor -> Congregation, here Clowney seems to indicate that, like the prophets, the pastor also has a duty to address the world. This is communication Pastor -> World. And what is the aim? To show the world that their supposedly "secular" and "purely political" decisions are actually subject to God's judgment, as he is the King of kings. The church fails in its duty when it allows the world to careen towards judgment without warning. Preaching repentance means nothing to a culture that is unaware of its own sin. When John the Baptist preached repentance, he was specific: the crowds were to give charitably to those in need; the tax collectors were to collect no more than they were authorized; the soldiers were not to extort money by threats or false accusations and were to be content with their wages (Luke 3). The church is called address the sins of its culture specifically and to prescribe the proper forms of repentance. It is also worth noting Clowney's inclusion of the word "perceive." Church leaders cannot expose the ethical issues at play until they perceive them, and lamentably few pastors seem to have this perception. One side-effect of this reality is that when church members voice concern about such issues to their pastors, the pastors cannot rightly gauge the validity of the concern so as to either comfort or correct the congregant properly, let alone to lead their church to to action on such issues. While it is theoretically possible to "idolize" politics, that is not the ditch that most conservative Protestant churches ride along. Instead, we are riding the atomistic, neglectful ditch that claims politics is useless and that active work in the realm of politics is participating in an "over-realized eschatology" that is seeking to manifest the spiritual kingdom of Christ by earthly means. Any pastor who has preached a sermon that focused on parenting, finances, marriage, or any other similar topic has no excuse for not preaching on politics, as all these issues are similarly secondary. The argument that "this isn't the church's role" can be equally applied to all those other topics. (It should be noted that it would be equally wrong when applied to all those other topics.) What if, instead, pastors actively encouraged political engagement in the recognition that the polis matters, and the politics is nothing more than the attempt to secure the good of our families and our neighbors? People will be political. You will not convince the present generation of young men that politics doesn't matter. Praise God, many young men have begun to recognize that it is actually better to care about politics than Marvel movies, or sports teams, or any of the other trains of endless slop. But if the officers of churches will not engage with and teach on the political realities and questions of the day, these young men will simply engage in a way that is uninformed by their spiritual leaders.
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Devon Eriksen@Devon_Eriksen_·
"America is a creedal nation!" "Okay, can we test people to see if they believe in the creed before letting them in?" "No, that's racist." "Then can we kick them out if they don't believe in the creed?" "No, that's denying them due process and their constitutional rights." "Can I see a copy of this creed?" "Nope, no one can agree on exactly what it is. We think it has something to do with the declaration of independence, though." "Okay, so what you're saying is that this creed defines the nation, but it isn't defined, that it forms the basis of the law, but has no effect on the law, that we owe allegiance to it, but that allegiance cannot be tested or demanded?" "Yep!" "So the creed could be anything, couldn't it? It could be 'horsies are pretty', or 'eat at Joe's', and it wouldn't make the slightest difference?" "I suppose so. I never really thought about it. What's important is that judges decide who is an American, and what America's future will be." "Say, aren't you a judge?" "Yes, what's your point?"
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Justice Neil Gorsuch: “We’re a creedal nation. What unites us is not a religion, not a race, it’s a belief in those ideas in the Declaration of Independence.”

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MrWatch@MrWatch420·
@libsoftiktok @Northshore_SD i totally get why you’re upset 😠. If the board’s move feels unfair, let’s keep the pressure on! We can vote, petition, or just spread the word—every voice counts 💪.
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Biblically Based@TheoBased·
@james_d_baird Can you highlight for me what about the original tweet a modern R2K person would disagree with? (Just FYI, I'm with you, loved and recommended your book, just having a hard time distinguishing how this tweet is different from R2K.)
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James Baird@james_d_baird·
@TheoBased it’s classic Reformed two kingdoms the civil kingdom must promote and defend true religion, though it bears no spiritual authority proper (preaching, sacraments, church discipline, etc) that belongs to the spiritual kingdom
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James Baird@james_d_baird·
this is correct 👇🏼
Nick S.@TexasKnox75

@james_d_baird @AmericanPresby I’m getting the sense that the lack of explicit use of Christ’s name in the founding documents was the following of the early modern political philosophy that saw natural theology as the principia of politics and that nature’s God was assumed to be the triune God of Scripture.

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@Ember_RC @ZacharyGarris The fallen world does not necessitate modern counseling. Christian societies got along for a few thousand years without the modern version of counseling that is taught in seminaries.
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Rebecca.@Ember_RC·
@TheoBased @ZacharyGarris Sure. But we do live in a fallen world that necessitates such counseling even apart from exposition and practical application from church and friends which is why I cannot agree in stopping biblical counseling education/degrees completely.
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Biblically Based@TheoBased·
Counseling, generally speaking, is an inadequate substitute for two things: (1) genuine friendship and (2) preaching that includes actual application. Because people lack friends and do not receive any practical shepherding from the pulpit, they have to pay a counselor to provide both functions.
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Rebecca.@Ember_RC·
@ZacharyGarris I find that many women attend seminary for biblical counseling degrees. What would be a workable alternative?
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Biblically Based@TheoBased·
@james_d_baird And as the judgment of the Canaanites clearly demonstrates, God even judges nations who are not in a formal, corporate covenant with him.
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James Baird@james_d_baird·
God judges nations for their corporate behavior and the leaders of the nation bear the weightiest measure of his judgment from a 1988 PCA report
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Biblically Based@TheoBased·
Regarding the duties of the civil magistrate, I just agree with my Reformed forefather John Knox in his First Trumpet Blast Against the Monstrous Regiment of Women: "From these two places, it's clear that it's mainly the king's or the chief magistrate's job to know God's will, to be educated in his laws and rules, and to promote his glory with all his heart and effort. These are the main points of the first table. No one denies that the sword is given to the magistrate so he can punish wrongdoings and uphold virtue. By punishing wrongdoings, I mean not only those that disturb the peace and stability of the community through adultery, theft, or murder, but also those that openly challenge God's glory: like idolatry, blasphemy, and clear heresy that's taught and stubbornly upheld."
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Biblically Based@TheoBased·
“It’s no surprise that as that universal nation myth took hold, denaturalization has been weakly enforced. But citizenship is always conditional on something. The rise of denaturalization for war crimes and genocide was a way of confirming the idea of the universal nation. Only the official enemies of humanity can be cast out of the bounds of the deterritorialized American community.” @NPinkoski in @ChroniclesMag In the United States, denaturalization has become so rare because it is almost a declaration that the person has lost their humanity entirely, and we are morally incapable of making such judgments. But the real problem is that it equates “American” with “human” and renders the concept of citizenship meaningless.
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TheoWars Rob@TheoWarsPodcast·
This is correct
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TheoWars Rob@TheoWarsPodcast·
Should Christian wives obey their husbands in all things?
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Stephen Wolfe
Stephen Wolfe@PerfInjust·
Baptists should just deny the conditional (that Baptist theology determines Luke’s form of Baptist politics). It isn’t hard to do. I see no reason why Baptist ecclesiology logically denies the concept of Christian nation.
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Biblically Based@TheoBased·
It has to do with the way we access culture. It used to be that things were spread by contact with other humans. That drove connection and created subcultures. It meant tailoring your own tastes to the tastes of those around you for the sake of community. Now, we largely access culture individually and therefore despite the massive fanbases that still exist for certain properties/artists, there is little sense of connection or momentum. We've moved from monoculture to dominant subcultures to microcultures (each of which is about the size of a single person with their phone).
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Matt Walsh
Matt Walsh@MattWalshBlog·
Every decade in modern American history can be identified and defined by its own style, its own approach to music, film, fashion, its own aesthetic. That seems to have stopped right around 2010. The 2010s don't really have their own unique feel, even in retrospect. The 2020s certainly don't. We're more than halfway through the decade. What are the movies, music, style, and trends that this decade will be remembered for? It's like we fell into some kind of cultural blackhole 15 years ago.
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FoundersMin@FoundersMin·
NEW EPISODE: Today on The Sword & The Trowel podcast, @tomascol and @gundengraham discuss the issue of anxiety—is it a sin, what role should modern counseling and medicine play, and what does the Bible say. They provide practical guidance and best practices for pastors while they are counseling those who struggle with anxiety. Dropping today at 4:00pm ET wherever you get your podcasts. founders.org/the-sword-the-…
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dirk walstead
dirk walstead@DirkWalstead·
The “new Christian right” seems to have a real problem with situational ethics and moral relativism. Listening to the thought leaders in this group, rules for thee, but not for me
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Ian Moone
Ian Moone@MealltaMcFie·
@se13kie Saraswati, Shakti or Tara is my preference, but I think you're a bit confused. The analog would be Mary the Magdalane. Did you know Mary, Jesus' wife, was a Phoenician Sorceress of Astarte? She worked with 7 Daemons as per a book I don't remember the title of currently.
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Robb Brunansky@RobbBrunansky·
Too many professing Christians worship the historic Reformed confessions as idols and revere being “Reformed” more than being biblical.
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κρῠπτός@_kruptos·
To be “conservative” or “traditionalist” one must be anti-capitalist.
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