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@TikiLaundry

Amigo, I campioni sono cosi

Katılım Ağustos 2017
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Gorlami@TikiLaundry·
@Dave_Robinson17 @Doug_Thonus Youre a bad team and new gm. Before: lose on purpose, get a star, build around a star. Now: acquire draft assets to give better odds down the line, dont bust your lottery picks, become mediocre, build a culture of effort, draft the star.
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Dae-Dae Robinson@Dave_Robinson17·
@TikiLaundry @Doug_Thonus The problem is there is no “more difficult avenue” for most teams. They will just never get better or they will trade all the draft capital possible for a star. And if the star was available for trade you could imagine what type of star it is.
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Doug Thonus@Doug_Thonus·
New lottery system fixes tanking but over time is likely to create a near permanent underclass
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Gorlami@TikiLaundry·
@Dave_Robinson17 @Doug_Thonus Teams will have to do a better job at hiring great gms and having a great scouting departments. Kings are not bad bc they havent been awarded the 1.01. Theyre bad bc of bad mgmt. they passed on luka, traded hali, traded fox, etc.
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Gorlami@TikiLaundry·
@Dave_Robinson17 @Doug_Thonus And thats all it is, your belief. The reality, however, is that if you actually enjoy watching basketball then tanking made it unwatchable. Now teams will have to find a more difficult avenue to get better than just “lets lose as many games as possible” and thats a good thing.
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Dae-Dae Robinson
Dae-Dae Robinson@Dave_Robinson17·
@TikiLaundry @Doug_Thonus Getting a high draft pick is how most competitors are made and it’s the quickest way to rebuild. I’m not saying lose on purpose but i believe the worst teams need the best chance to become good again. I don’t think you should award teams who are always in the middle.
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Gorlami@TikiLaundry·
@Dave_Robinson17 @Doug_Thonus LOL the whole point is to not tank but here you are arguing for tanking. You a kings fan bro? You just don’t get to lose on purpose and sit half your roster for half the season anymore to get the best lottery odds.
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Dae-Dae Robinson@Dave_Robinson17·
@TikiLaundry @Doug_Thonus Also it would take multiple years of taking just good players to end up having a roster like the Heat. Then and only then could you have a chance of getting a high pick and now if you get a high pick you have to wait a couple years for him to develop. This extend rebuild times
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Gorlami@TikiLaundry·
@Dave_Robinson17 @Doug_Thonus Parity is less important than the integrity of the game being violated bc of tanking. Its not like you cant become a good team anymore. Youre just not getting rewarded with the best gifts when you get the worse grades in school.
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Gorlami@TikiLaundry·
@Dave_Robinson17 @Doug_Thonus Cool. So grab a good player, become mediocre, have better odds, draft a better player following drafts. Just bc you’re the worst team does not mean you deserve the best pick.
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Gorlami@TikiLaundry·
@SleeperNFL And then he did the same thing at the nfl draft.
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SleeperNFL@SleeperNFL·
Makai Lemon on his NFL Combine podium session: “It was a learning experience. Just how to carry myself more professionally… I definitely didn’t expect to look like that, but I’ll learn from it moving forward.”
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jeff@DedicationHoops·
why can’t he just accept that some teams are naturally ass regardless of tanking 😭 the concept of being punished for being bad is insane lmao
NBACentral@TheDunkCentral

NBA Proposes New Lottery System to Crack Down on Tanking: • Lottery expands from 14 → 16 teams Relegation zone (bottom 3 teams) gets fewer odds for No. 1 pick • Teams outside bottom 3 get better lottery odds (3 balls vs 2) • Play-in teams also receive lottery balls (varies by seed) • No team can win No. 1 pick in back-to-back years • No team can get 3 straight top-5 picks Picks 12–15 can no longer be protected • NBA can punish tanking by reducing odds or moving picks • System would run through 2029 (trial period) (Via @ShamsCharania )

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Gorlami@TikiLaundry·
@DamienPetersNBA Just draft good players in the lottery and acquire draft assets. They will be mediocre and have better lottery odds in the future. In return the the nba is better inmediately bc of no tanking. Just bc youre the worst team does not mean you deserve the best pick
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Damien Peters@DamienPetersNBA·
The underlying problem with the anti-tanking conversation is no one wants to admit that there are genuinely bad teams in the NBA that desperately need star power. We are going to sit here in 12 months time and have to accept that the three worst teams (who be will genuinely bad) have less of a chance at getting the number 1 pick. I’m all for rule amendments, but these teams need help.
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Adam Gretz
Adam Gretz@AGretz·
You know what league never worries about tanking? The NFL. You know what league doesn't have a draft lottery? The NFL.
Shams Charania@ShamsCharania

The "3-2-1 lottery" proposal, named to represent the number of lottery balls per team, would expand the lottery from 14 to 16 teams. Teams that do not qualify for the playoffs or play-in tournament but stay out of the relegation zone (spots four through 10) would receive three lottery balls each. Teams with a bottom-three record -- the relegation zone -- would have just two lottery balls but have a floor of the 12th pick while the rest of the 13 lottery teams could fall as far as the 16th pick. The 9th and 10th play-in seeds in each conference receive two lottery balls each while the losers of the 7-8 play-in games receive one lottery ball each. In addition, no team would be able to win the top pick in consecutive years or be able to win three consecutive top-five picks. Teams also would not be able to protect picks in the 12 to 15 slots going forward.

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Gorlami@TikiLaundry·
@Doug_Thonus @rightfieldsucks Why are teams fucked just bc they dont get a top 4 pick? If you cant land a stud with 1.09 then thats a gm problem not a lottery problem. If you cant sell an expiring contract for future picks then thats a gm problem as well.
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Doug Thonus
Doug Thonus@Doug_Thonus·
Hard to make good trades when you are bad because you don't have good assets, and since getting worse hurts you more, you can't give up what little you have. Hard to sign good players when you are a bad team no one wants to play for, so you have to overpay which also encourages bad contracts. You are describing a path of saying "well, it's not impossible to improve" and it isn't, but it's really, really hard already, and now it's an order of magnitude harder / luck reliant. And again, I'm not saying you had to leave the old system in place, but there were many better options to fix tanking that weren't going to have this negative an impact on parity. There's no plausible logical reason to give the bottom 3 teams WORSE odds than 4-10. They're already fucked, and because you're drawing all picks, they have zero incentive to be in the bottom 3 already, they don't need greater incentive to not be in the bottom 3. If you just made the odds even across the board it would be much better and simpler.
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Erik Slater
Erik Slater@ErikSlater_·
Imagine this system was in place this year: The Heat, Warriors, and Clippers would have the same odds of landing the No. 1 pick as the Nets and Wizards. The Magic, who could realistically be in the conference finals, would have only slightly worse odds. That’s ridiculous, IMO.
Shams Charania@ShamsCharania

The "3-2-1 lottery" proposal, named to represent the number of lottery balls per team, would expand the lottery from 14 to 16 teams. Teams that do not qualify for the playoffs or play-in tournament but stay out of the relegation zone (spots four through 10) would receive three lottery balls each. Teams with a bottom-three record -- the relegation zone -- would have just two lottery balls but have a floor of the 12th pick while the rest of the 13 lottery teams could fall as far as the 16th pick. The 9th and 10th play-in seeds in each conference receive two lottery balls each while the losers of the 7-8 play-in games receive one lottery ball each. In addition, no team would be able to win the top pick in consecutive years or be able to win three consecutive top-five picks. Teams also would not be able to protect picks in the 12 to 15 slots going forward.

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Gorlami@TikiLaundry·
@Doug_Thonus @rightfieldsucks If you are a franchise in a bad position but have a good gm 2 things will happen: 1. He will make good trades to improve assets 2. He should be able to draft good players despite not having a top 4 pick.
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Doug Thonus
Doug Thonus@Doug_Thonus·
@rightfieldsucks Better or worse depends what you care about more, but I think there were plenty of options to fix tanking without absolutely fucking the bad franchises.
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Sam Quinn@SamQuinnCBS·
What I would like to know is what, if anything, the NBA plans to do to help organically bad teams improve in non-draft related ways. Free agency is dead and that's jacked up the price on veteran trades. How do you balance that reality with all of this moralizing over tanking?
Shams Charania@ShamsCharania

NBA commissioner Adam Silver said on a recent Competition Committee call, according to sources: "We should have a system where you should hate to lose. It shouldn't be a badge of honor. Losing should be uncomfortable." The new change is not as drastic as relegation to a lower league -- but a penalty for being at the bottom. Many league executives understand this may be an overcorrection, but one the majority believes is necessary.

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