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@VoxPrudentia Do you not have a basic understanding of “relating to” Like if I said, does your job relate to science? Would you need more context to understand my question? No, it’s fairly basic and not really ambiguous. You don’t go beyond the text unless it’s ambiguous.

I'm sorry, but the notion that "relating to" has an "ordinary meaning" that doesn't depend on context is kinda silly, a symptom of terminal legal-education-induced brain poisoning.

@hamad_bachi @mandyarthur @grok And the ancestral home was never about making YOU feel sorry for them. The claims are for their internal motivation. They didn’t come and kick everyone out saying they’re the owners (that’s a Palestinian thing). They immigrated legally, bought the land, coexisted with the locals

@hamad_bachi @mandyarthur @grok Are you European? I don’t think you are. I grew up in Eastern Europe. You can literally tell Jews apart from Slavs and from the Nordic people. And they have never EVER been treated as local.

Hi @Grok, which group of people shares more ancestry with the ancient Israelites, Palestinians or modern Israelis? One word max.

@hamad_bachi @mandyarthur @grok Why do you believe that Isis is supported by Israel? Why do you believe that Jews weren’t killed in the area long before the Zionist movement? What on earth makes you believe that Middle East was a kumbaya happy land, given that people were cruel and ruthless in all of history?

@ToasterRan59580 @mandyarthur @grok by the way, non of these issues would have risen if Israel did not exist. Yazidis survive unharmed for 1400 years, Isis is Armed by the west, supported by Israel, Israel even treated their wounded in their hospitals! Isis slaughters the Yazidis. do you see where the problem is?

@RobeTrader It has definitely made me reevaluate the past. I thought people in history were simple for falling for such obvious lies. Like who would drink the blood of babies?!? But no, it’s not a problem of intelligence it seems. It’s something else entirely. But what?

ON JEW HATRED: Islam has a profound, doctrinal problem with Jews. Rooted in its foundational texts, history, and teachings that have persisted for 1,400 years. But what infuriates me most is that it’s not confined to Islam. Far too many people, supposedly educated, rational adults, have revealed themselves to be far more gullible, ignorant, and morally confused than I ever thought possible. They defend, deny, or downplay what should be obvious to anyone with eyes and a functioning mind.

@AdrianP_doc On one hand Ukraine - more people. On the other hand Israel - their people are more likely to be slaughtered rather than subjugated. I have faith that Ukraine would survive and eventually triumph if it loses sovereignty. Death of Israel is probably permanent

I have a honest question: If you had to chose between the survival of Ukraine or Israel, which would you choose? I'll go first: UKRAiNE - 1000% without blinking.

@fanoonman @mandyarthur @grok Because believe it or not, the conflict is not in English, and the conflicts predates the English slogan. algemeiner.com/2014/02/20/did…

@ToasterRan59580 @mandyarthur @grok How could the connotation of a slogan predate the slogan itself -- UNLESS the malicious adversaries of the people who use that slogan were already predisposed to reading mass murder into whatever slogan those people came up with? You're defeating your own argument here.

@fanoonman @mandyarthur @grok No. Because malicious woke liberals are not parties to the “conflict” their opinion is irrelevant. But yes, I do believe “all lives matter” is slightly racist precisely for the reasons I described.

@ToasterRan59580 @mandyarthur @grok (2) Should whites not be allowed to say "All Lives Matter" because some malicious Woke Liberals will interpret that to mean "Black Lives DON'T Matter"? Not using one word that even you admit is throwaway fluff at best is not the same as refraining from using a political phrase.

@fanoonman @mandyarthur @grok Have they tried? I saw a free Palestine movement interview with Finklestein where he suggested a slight tweak to remove the connotation to avoid criticism. Want to guess how that went?

@ToasterRan59580 @mandyarthur @grok IF they came up with a new phrase because their adversaries have gone to astronomical lengths to demonize the old one, the same adversaries would say it's just a semantic trick to say the same thing. Come on, dude. You must see through this bullshit.

@fanoonman @mandyarthur @grok The connotation predates the slogan. The slogan is the slogan precisely because of connotation.

@ToasterRan59580 @mandyarthur @grok The idea that, once your critics twist your slogans to mean something the words themselves don't denote, you can't use your own phrase anymore because of how THEY talk the world into interpreting it, is simply more domineering bullshit from the Israel-Can-Do-No-Wrong camp.

@fanoonman @mandyarthur @grok I’m sorry? You do know that 20% of Israel is Arab with equal rights? That Israel gave Sinai back. That it withdrew from Lebanon in the 80s? Who’s slandering now. Why are you ascribing motives to a country that are demonstrably false?

@ToasterRan59580 @mandyarthur @grok (2) Maybe most Israelis and their leaders would be fine with Palestinians staying in "the levant" as long as it's outside the boundaries of whatever the most expansionist among them considers to be "Greater Israel." Staying where they are? Do they have an inherent right?

@fanoonman @mandyarthur @grok Now, if a person says “From the river to the sea” and is clueless, that’s fine. But as soon as they know what the Jews will hear, then they intend that meaning. They intend the other person to feel hate. By now, most people, including you know this meaning…

@fanoonman @mandyarthur @grok Well the idea is you can’t. Because it has history. And even though I may not intend racism, it will be understood as such. To Jews “from the river to the sea” has historically meant ethnic cleansing or murder of 7-8 million Jews. 1/2

@fanoonman @mandyarthur @grok Specific question. But also as an aside, Jews and Israelis have never denied Palestinians’ heritage in levant.

@ToasterRan59580 @mandyarthur @grok (3) In general, or on the specific Grok question that triggered you? In general, it's to criticize the government of Israel and those who reflexively support it no matter what it does. Specifically on that, it was to show that Palestinians are at least as "Semitic" as most Jews.

@fanoonman @mandyarthur @grok I have a reasoned response to that. But in order to not assume that your beliefs are the stereotypical beliefs ascribed to Americans I have to ask - do you think as a white person I should use the n-word to describe blacks, presuming I’m not racist and mean well, like “yo my n-a!

@ToasterRan59580 @mandyarthur @grok (2) "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free." means nothing other than what the words themselves mean in English. You live in a sanctimonious pro-Israel echo chamber in which everyone is 1000% convinced it means something else. Your degree of certainty is meaningless.

@fanoonman @mandyarthur @grok I did offer evidence. It’s buried right under the crazy asian bot antisemite with the memes that I blocked. I quoted her posts I found objectionable and genocidal. Ah. You do not see her actions as gaslighting. Understood. Interesting. What do you think her motives were?

@ToasterRan59580 @mandyarthur @grok You said "her profile" proves she is in a "hate-fest." Now you say it's "her feed", but you offer no evidence; you want me and everyone else to give you a Default Setting when you are clearly up to your uvula in hostile, judgmental sanctimonious bias. How am I "gaslighting" YOU?

@fanoonman @mandyarthur @grok Not sure what that means for New Cubans. Don’t worry, Mandy is my people (white American) so I can call her hypocrisy out all I want. It’s in-fighting.

@ToasterRan59580 @mandyarthur @grok Individuals in any demographic should not lose rights because hotheaded imbeciles think in terms of collectives and Collective Guilt, just as you did when you lumped Mandy in with every white American in history who did anything violent. I don't choose sides in BS like that.

@fanoonman @mandyarthur @grok In their declaration Jews declared equality and desire to coexist with equal rights (hence the Arab Israelis) in 1947 Arabs started a mission to eradicate the Jews that has never ended. Jews have made many attempts to make peace, and did make peace with Jordan and Egypt

@fanoonman @mandyarthur @grok I’ll admit it. She presses my buttons. I’m more rational on other threads. Effect of the obvious gaslighting. And I can’t decide whether you’re gaslighting too, or just not recognize her actions as gaslighting.

@ToasterRan59580 @mandyarthur @grok (2) Ironically, I pick up a TON of hate-vibes from you on this thread, and none at all from her. "You’re either willfully blind, a liar or an idiot." "In that case you’re just genocidal?" And other trash talk I didn't find when I went back to copy & paste it here...

@fanoonman @mandyarthur @veronicaromm @grok No. I love honest debate. I can discuss Israeli history all day long. It’s a fascinating story. It has many twists and turns and a very cool moral dilemma in the middle. And I do have that debate with good faith actors. She is not one of them.

@ToasterRan59580 @mandyarthur @veronicaromm @grok When your character attacks are 100% dependent on the premise that "When people say ______, what they REALLY MEAN is _______", you've announced to the world that you use character attacks to try to pre-empt honest debate, not to objectively set any record straight.