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@saysosis @Detlef187 @ToadyFNaF1987 What? Who is worrying about that? Who are you?

@Detlef187 @ToadyFNaF1987 Some Pedophilia = @TonyBaduy worrying about whether a little boy wants to kiss another little boy and be gay ….. BE A GRON MAN STAY OUT LITTLE KIDS BUISNESS

gonna test smth pedophilia is bad

@NoRedText @AXXA13365950 @AKAIUSB @DumbFoxFurry It's a waste of time. I guess that's all you do to farm interactions and get some extra cents from Elon

@TonyBaduy @AXXA13365950 @AKAIUSB @DumbFoxFurry Don't be absurd. It is an invitation to make your argument as forcefully as possible with the promise that, unlike you, pointless nitpicking about auxiliary issues will not be attempted.

genuine question for right-wingers would it make you feel safe if a trans guy looking like this was forced to use the women's restroom?

@NoRedText @AXXA13365950 @AKAIUSB @DumbFoxFurry Why should I bother to choose something which you haven't thought when that isn't my aim? Are you here just to waste people's time?

Yes. It is irrelevant. The challenge for you is to choose the answer most conducive for your argument and prosecute it. E.g. assume the answer is "their public nudity should be prohibited in areas with children" and then procede with whatever point you want to make. Or "no, they can use the men's bathrokm even under those circumstances" and proceed from there Or whatever else. It doesn't matter what you choose, you cannot get to "therefore, they should use the women's bathrooms" or "therefore 'trans' is a real thing"

@NoRedText @AXXA13365950 @AKAIUSB @DumbFoxFurry Why are you so sure erections demonstrate anything? Those can be achieved through mentalization. Therefore, just using that won't truly show what's going on inside someone's mind. Therefore, you cannot truly use them to demonstrate "gay" exists, right?

You really should just answer the challenge presented to you. As it is you are simpky showing yourself to be either very stupid, very autistic or very dishonest. The answer is twofold 1. It doesn't matter, it remains the empirical basis upon which the theory rests. If you are asking why "gay people are only pretending to want to do the things they in fact do" is not the preferred explanation - then it's the same answer as before, parsimony, conservatism, predictive power, generality, et al. 2. There are independent measures of arousal - e.g. penile plesmography - that rather demonstates that the sexual desire is real. But, once again, state the proposition in terms like the above - "a desire to engage in romantic or sexual relationships and encounters with one or both sexes" That lends itself to straightforward emprical observation. What is the equivalent for "trans"? It has only been a dozen times you have been asked. What convinced you it was real?

@NoRedText @AXXA13365950 @AKAIUSB @DumbFoxFurry How do you prove that desire is real and not whatever you think being trans is?

Great, but it doesn't answer the question. A very high level similarity is not an analogy. Here's a start. What is "sexual orientation" - a desire for sexual and romantic encounters and relationships with the members of a a given sex or both sexes Perform the same unpacking for whatever you think "trans" is

@NoRedText @AXXA13365950 @AKAIUSB @DumbFoxFurry Why do you think it'd be different? Or rather, show it'd be different.

@TonyBaduy @AXXA13365950 @AKAIUSB @DumbFoxFurry Well, an odd way to admit you do not understand what a conjunction is. But the question was "what does it mean to have an internal sense of being something you literally are not?" Not "what is an internal sense"

@NoRedText @AXXA13365950 @AKAIUSB @DumbFoxFurry Pretty sure you said you wouldn't give any answer to my previous question and that any I could pick for you would be irrelevant. There is no challenge there, just a waste of time.

@TonyBaduy @AXXA13365950 @AKAIUSB @DumbFoxFurry Nevertheless the challenge is implicit, you illiterate.

@NoRedText @AXXA13365950 @AKAIUSB @DumbFoxFurry Because you already reject any and all observations.

@TonyBaduy @AXXA13365950 @AKAIUSB @DumbFoxFurry No idea how you reached that conclusion, unless you're being purposefully uncharitable

@NoRedText @AXXA13365950 @AKAIUSB @DumbFoxFurry Both are recognized by people's self report regarding their feelings and behaviors.

@TonyBaduy @AXXA13365950 @AKAIUSB @DumbFoxFurry No. What feelings? Draw an analogy between homosexuality and whatever you think "trans" entails

@NoRedText @AXXA13365950 @AKAIUSB @DumbFoxFurry Oh, so what I posted doesn't answer what "internal sense" is, right? Even though it explains what it is. I see. You don't really care.

@TonyBaduy @AXXA13365950 @AKAIUSB @DumbFoxFurry No. The question asked was an entire conjunction.

@NoRedText @AKAIUSB @DumbFoxFurry And yet... you reject current empirical observations, thus you would either not recognize it or refuse to acknowledge it.

@TonyBaduy @AKAIUSB @DumbFoxFurry ...becsuse it would be an empricial observation or set thereof that was best explained by proposing such a phenomenon to explain it

@NoRedText @AXXA13365950 @AKAIUSB @DumbFoxFurry In what you quoted there isn't a question.

@TonyBaduy @AXXA13365950 @AKAIUSB @DumbFoxFurry Yes, the circle is you refusing to answer a very straightforward question, and yours truth pointing that out. That is a question that doesn't need an answer it's irrelevant and just another attempt at you finding an excuse to derail instead of answering the quesiton.

@NoRedText @AXXA13365950 @AKAIUSB @DumbFoxFurry So you wouldn't recognize such empirical observation then.

@TonyBaduy @AXXA13365950 @AKAIUSB @DumbFoxFurry No idea. You're the one who was, presumably, convinced by it or believes that scientists have been convinced by it. You seem to be increasingly embracibg the idea that simply assuming things to be true is how science establishes things.

@NoRedText @AXXA13365950 @AKAIUSB @DumbFoxFurry People's feelings, perceptions and behaviors. Isn't it like that also for sexual orientation and neurodivergence?

@TonyBaduy @AXXA13365950 @AKAIUSB @DumbFoxFurry ...yes, and what is that phenomenon?

@NoRedText @AXXA13365950 @AKAIUSB @DumbFoxFurry Does this help? psychologytoday.com/us/blog/making…

@TonyBaduy @AXXA13365950 @AKAIUSB @DumbFoxFurry Yours truly didn't say anything about "identity" you brought it up in response to the question asked. It is not apparent how it relates, but you, seemingly, think it does. So, again, answer with whatever you think resolved the dilemma presented to you.

@NoRedText @AKAIUSB @DumbFoxFurry If you don't know, how would you recognize it then?

@TonyBaduy @AKAIUSB @DumbFoxFurry No idea, you're the one who is, presumably, convinced by it

@NoRedText @AXXA13365950 @AKAIUSB @DumbFoxFurry So... you don't know if you want to know what "identity" is?

@TonyBaduy @AXXA13365950 @AKAIUSB @DumbFoxFurry No idea. Do you think that would answer the question? It's your position.

@NoRedText @AXXA13365950 @AKAIUSB @DumbFoxFurry An observation of a phenomenon happening, which you deny ever happened just because.

@TonyBaduy @AXXA13365950 @AKAIUSB @DumbFoxFurry What in god's name are you on about? This is pointless wheelspinning because you cannot answer the question - what is the empirical basis that convinced the researchers or yourself that there was a phenomenon to be explained?

@NoRedText @AXXA13365950 @AKAIUSB @DumbFoxFurry How would that empirical observation look like?

@TonyBaduy @AXXA13365950 @AKAIUSB @DumbFoxFurry ...you providing the relevant empirical observations that underpin the assumptions of the papers that seek correlations. Or failing that, the observations that convinced you it was the case. Unsure how many more times it needs to be said. You can also see this post

@NoRedText @AXXA13365950 @AKAIUSB @DumbFoxFurry You are going in circles now. Btw, you didn't say what you'd do with all trans people so they wouldn't get to participate in society since they wouldn't just stop existing.

@TonyBaduy @AXXA13365950 @AKAIUSB @DumbFoxFurry It is entirely contained within the post to which you responded, trying to change the subject. It is irrelevant.