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"A True Man's Dream" I liked the situation I saw on the loading screen in CK3, so I decided to draw it. #GenshinImapact #Ganyu #Aether #Aethyu #Aenyu

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I’m making a big deal out of it? I just said I disliked a couple of interactions. If you dislike something, you should say so — staying silent only makes it look like you were fine with it. And how would quitting help? Would it somehow undo those moments? My whining, along with everyone else’s, at least has a better chance of influencing future writing than silently quitting.

@TopoLM21 if you're making such a big deal out of it, then yes.

Yeah, no, JUST finished the Event Story, Traveler was more than happy to tease her at basically every chance they got. What version of the story did they play, Traveler was NOT uncomfortable here’s

@Ahnoroth The kind of dialogue choice I’m asking for is literally already in the game. And I should quit a game I’ve played daily since launch over a couple of interactions I disliked? Seriously?

@TopoLM21 you're asking for that to the wrong game, if it bothers you i suggest quiting .

@Ahnoroth Cosmetic choices do change tone. They just don’t change the plot. “We’ll help for the reward” and “We’ll help because it’s right” can lead to the same result, but they make the Traveler feel different. That’s all I wanted here.

@TopoLM21 choices that don't influence or change any tone are completely useless even if used. you're asking for the diversion of tone and story to better fit your aesthetic in a game that will not offer it.

@Ahnoroth It literally already offers cosmetic dialogue choices. I’m not asking for Baldur’s Gate; I’m asking for the basic tone options Genshin already uses.

@TopoLM21 not the type of game to offer that.

Everyone here is sharing opinions. Nobody is obligated to agree. But sometimes it feels like people can’t tolerate someone having a different reaction to the same scene. Maybe the Traveler was comfortable with it. But they also could have been uncomfortable. A lot of people wouldn’t enjoy being pushed somewhere by someone acting like Citlali did. I wouldn’t enjoy it either, even if I didn’t already dislike her. Imagine the same scene with a character you personally dislike. Wouldn’t you want an option for the Traveler to refuse, or at least answer neutrally without playing along? I’m not “always going to say I wanted something else.” I say it when something I dislike happens and the game could easily allow another reaction. That’s how I feel about events too. Some characters appear constantly, while others show up once a year with a few exposition lines. Make more interactions optional. I can choose the ones I like, and other players can skip them. I don’t care if another player’s Traveler dislikes a character I like.

@TopoLM21 @2294Ken @allmightytonyYT You are always going to say, this should have happened instead of this. That pattern won't change. This didn't meet your expectations which is understandable

@Ethankice @2294Ken @allmightytonyYT “She acted like this before” doesn’t make it comfortable; it just means it’s a repeated pattern. The Traveler could understand Citlali and still say something like “It’s okay, don’t worry” instead of teasing her.

@TopoLM21 @2294Ken @allmightytonyYT Traveler knows Citlali and how she really is.

@Ahnoroth I’m not asking to rewrite the event or dictate the story. I’m asking for a dialogue choice, the same thing Genshin already uses constantly. The plot could stay the same. Just give the player a way to choose the Traveler’s tone instead of forcing one positive reaction.

@TopoLM21 so basically you want to dictate how the story and this event is supposed to go? literally no gaming event ever lets you tamper or mess around with the story or the scenes of the event, matter of fact, it just looks like you are making a non issue out of a nothungburger

@Ethankice @2294Ken @allmightytonyYT Yes, that’s exactly the point. I’m upset that the game didn’t give me a choice here. Genshin often gives us cosmetic dialogue choices that don’t change anything, but still let the player choose the Traveler’s tone. So why is it suddenly a problem to want that here?

@TopoLM21 @2294Ken @allmightytonyYT That's a you problem. The Traveler is still their own character with their own goal. All you are upset is that they didn't give you a choice here.

A complete self-insert is only really possible in something like DnD. In any game with a written protagonist, there can be moments I dislike. Am I not allowed to criticize them? I’m not asking them to erase the Traveler’s personality. I’m saying they could have used the same gameplay element they already use elsewhere: dialogue choices. Especially when this isn’t a major core story decision, but just a reaction to one character’s antics.

@TopoLM21 @RecycleARV @YoruKnowsBall The canon Traveler is the one who wants to reunite with their sister, has lived for a thousands of years, has a spaceship and is the ruler of a kingdom. What you basically want is for them to remove moments of their own character to just be a self insert

If I liked some fixed Traveler moments, I didn’t like them because they had no choice. I liked them because I liked how the Traveler acted there. If someone said, “I didn’t like how the Traveler acted in that scene, I wish the player had a choice to react differently,” I wouldn’t tell them they have no right to criticize the Traveler. I’d probably agree that more dialogue branches would be better. That’s not hypocrisy. That’s just judging different scenes differently.

@TopoLM21 @allmightytonyYT If you have liked other times Traveler acted themself then you are a hypocrite because they didn't give you a choice then. You didn't like that they didn't give you a choice here so you shouldn't like it elsewhere just because you liked it.

I just don’t like Citlali. I don’t like her behavior, her way of speaking, or how the Traveler reacts to her. Her backstory “tragedy” also feels very weak to me, so it doesn’t make her behavior work for me. If you like her, good for you. Enjoy the content. But I don’t, and I’m sure you also have characters you dislike or Traveler interactions you don’t enjoy.

There's a reason why Traveler wasn't uncomfortable. You either skipped her story quest or you don't like the Aelali ship.

“Just skip it” is a bad answer. Skipping an entire event because of one scene would be ridiculous, especially when it has other characters, story content, and rewards. If I hadn’t known about this beforehand, I would have played the event, reached that scene, and felt uncomfortable anyway. The issue is not that the scene exists. The issue is that there is no alternative reaction. If players could choose how the Traveler reacts, people who liked it would lose nothing, and people who didn’t like it wouldn’t be forced to play along.

@TopoLM21 @allmightytonyYT event content is side content if you don't care about the rewards also you have the option to either play the event or not, don't complain that a limited time event had something you didn't like when it's completely optional to participate in

Then what is the “canon” Traveler? Do they mock Paimon every chance they get, or support her? Do they help people for rewards, or because it’s the right thing to do? Did they spare Alphonso in Sumeru, or kill him? The game has role-playing elements. It’s not a movie where the player has no input at all. And even in a fixed story, I’m still allowed to dislike a character’s actions or feel uncomfortable with how they’re written.

@TopoLM21 @YoruKnowsBall @allmightytonyYT Yeah, role playing, your playing as the character not yourself

@WilsonxD19 I simply said I didn’t like it and shared my thoughts. I don’t understand why some people act like if something didn’t bother them, then nobody else is allowed to have a negative reaction to it.

@TopoLM21 @allmightytonyYT Ok, I just played this quest, Citlali doesn't even take screen time, have real issues please

I can agree from a meta perspective. Maybe the writers are using a shoujo/romance archetype for her. But her jealousy and exaggerated reactions don’t feel explained in-universe by her reading novels. If a character read heroic novels and then acted bravely because of them, I’d expect the story to show them thinking about those heroes. With Citlali, it feels more like a meta gag that wasn’t organically integrated into her character.

@TopoLM21 @EizenAnazaki It can go both ways. She has that classic shoujo archetype to me.

Cartethyia coping by creating puppets after being trapped for 20 years is tragic. While Citlali she's not just acting like a child throughout the quest. That's her personality shaped by centuries of isolation as a priestess. It's the weight of outliving everyone, carrying duties no one else can understand.

@DKenzhebaeva Ой какие мы нежные оказывается…. Свою позицию не можешь отстоять и блокируешь? Блокировка это синоним «я проиграла». Какой же идиотский совет «не нравится не играй». Типо если мне один момент не нравится мне всю игру забросить? Гениально! И это ты должна молча сидеть с таким то уровнем понимания ситуации, а то еще к аватарке цепляешься, подкрепляя что по факту тебе сказать нечего. Будь добра, удали Геншин, и никогда больше в подобное не играй и ни с кем на этот счет не говори.

И как я это скипнуть должен, если это часть сюжета ивента? Или может лучше было бы сделать чтобы это можно было скипнуть через опцию диалога? Точно так же как можно пойти на миссию из-за награды или из-за долга, издеваться над Паймон или похвалить или вариант как с Фатуи из Сумеру где его судьбу решает именно игрок, а не сам путешественник. Это РОЛЕВАЯ игра и хотя выборы опций диалога несовершенны, но они помогают отыграть такого путешественника которого хочется. А тут меня заставляют взаимодействовать с персонажем который мне не нравится, только определенным образом. Да и просто игра мне мне нравится, и МНЕ не понравился определенный момент, я высказался об этом, предложив вариант где этот момент всем понравится, но нет каждый второй дает гениальный совет «не нравится не играй».

@Mpudding20 @EizenAnazaki Her behavior doesn’t read like novel-inspired roleplay to me. She isn’t acting like “wow, this is just like my romance books.” She’s reacting like a normal person in an awkward situation, just louder, more anxious, and exaggerated for the gag.

@TopoLM21 @EizenAnazaki We never seen these "others" having Citlali's lvl of obsession w/ specifically romance novel. That unbridled love is part of how she's advertised, so much so it's in her idle .& If the dawn of internet has taught us anything, hyperfixation can influence people's behavior a lot.

Yes, I don’t like the Traveler reacting positively to all of Citlali’s antics. I don’t like the “emergency food” jokes about Paimon either, but at least the game often lets me choose not to make them and support her instead. So clearly the game can give the player a choice when it wants to. That’s what I wanted here too.

@TopoLM21 @allmightytonyYT no podemos hacer nada, solo dilo directo, no te gusta y listo.

@WilsonxD19 @allmightytonyYT I’ve played Genshin for years. This is the first patch where it became an issue for me.

@TopoLM21 @allmightytonyYT maybe you should stop playing anime games, all of them are going to have cringe moments with characters you won't like