Bryan Trygstad

All means All!

@troywojick True, I don't think anyone can resist God's will "ultimately". I see the scene where every tongue confesses "Jesus is Lord" as voluntary and a pledge of allegiance, not just an acknowledgement of a title, considering it is impossible to call Jesus is Lord without the Holy Spirit.

@TrygstadBryan So man can (has the capacity/ability) to reject God, but never will ultimately. Is that your view?

Faith is not the gift, salvation is the gift, and like all gifts it can be refused/rejected.

@troywojick Why does God need to "force"? That would imply that man's puny brain is too difficult an obstacle for God Almighty to persuade. It should be noted that it is a vile parent that lets their children do all their "will" desires!

@TrygstadBryan God desires that all men take His free offer of salvation, but He doesn't force them to.

@troywojick I say yes, "nothing is impossible for God". Jesus said this when the discussion was specifically about impossible salvation.

@troywojick Going with your second option, IF we agree that "God desires none to perish," then the answer would seem to be yes, he does desire to save them. Now the question is, can He?

@troywojick Troy, if you are formulating a reply, which I'm guessing will have something to do with "free will", I need to get off the La-Z-Boy and go for a little walk to keep my old joints from stiffening up. Takes about an hour, so take your time.

@troywojick and to answer your question above. I don't believe there will be anyone who won't have some of their ideology, beliefs, or attitudes adjusted when entering the kingdom!

@troywojick 1000% "3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." It's the only thing that makes sense to me and is worthy of God's power and love, "love never fails"!

@TrygstadBryan Are you a universalist?

@troywojick Great! I to believe, "For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive." All saved! The good news!

@TrygstadBryan I don't think Adam and what He did is more powerful than Christ. Adam brought Death. Christ brought Life.

@troywojick Why do you think Adam's sin has more power than Jesus' righteous act? 18 "Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people."

@TrygstadBryan Salvation is a free offer to all men by the grace of God. Many reject it.

@PerichoresisC Is God any less if I am not here?

The great dance of life shared by the Father, Son and Spirit is the mystery moving behind the scenes of our lives, the invisible river running through our souls and through all things. Dr C Baxter Kruger

@1984_nate Considering the garments are worn by "good" and "evil" people and the evil people aren't thrown out, it's not about achievement, but attitude. IMO it's more like the "I never knew you" type moment. Thinking your in the God crowd but you don't really know him at all...imo

It's important to understand how the word "chosen" is being used in the parable. It's an adjective not a verb. That "chosen" is literally just a description of those who were wearing the right wedding garment and not the reason for them doing so. Let the reader understand.

@FastChase @CherylSchatz I do try to imagine what a big swallow moment it will be for those who find out burning people alive was never his plan...yikes. Also, I wonder if the people Jesus never knew are the ones who think God's character could ever do such a thing? That's my motivation to speak up.

@TrygstadBryan @CherylSchatz I get that, you're very nice about it, which is admirable. I'm a bit jaded. I find committed infernalists tend to be some of the most stubborn, hypocritical people. But good for you.

Who exactly is it that is the author of sin?

@FastChase @CherylSchatz I try not to give people a hard time about believing in ECT. Most do, or have done in the past. I just try to make my case or argument and work on the questions they have that I could/should have better answers for.

She doesn't believe that. She's an infernalist, not an annihilationist, from what I recall at least. Could be wrong. Nearly certain she believes people will burn/ wallow in darkness right beside Satan, but any time she is presented with universalism she punts to Satan and his angels as her proof.

@CherylSchatz @FastChase It's scorcher this morning, going to have to dust off the bike for a ride. While eating my tuna on toast, I thought I would ask again the question you didn't respond to. Who put Jesus on the cross? Of all the evil in the world, who is worse, Man or Satan? But only one gets mercy?

@CherylSchatz @FastChase 🙂 admire your zeal Cheryl. "There will be no death and no devil". Are you an Annihilationist? What happened to the unsaved and the devil and angels in the second death?

@CherylSchatz @FastChase .it should also be noted that indeed a big part of "The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work." 1 John 3:8, So whatever damage you think the devil has done to humanity and nature, the question becomes, will Jesus succeed in destroying what the devil did?

@CherylSchatz @FastChase Just quickly, you are the one who said "the devil cannot change", I was simply stating an obvious conclusion if that were so. If you are now saying the devil can change, then the possibility exists that the devil can be restored along with creation..

@MercyBrew @1984_nate My point: "What do you have that you did not receive?" Faith is a gift. It's all God. The fact that at some point you succumb (as all will) to God's will is only a feat of God. v.11 Circumcision (of the heart), done by Christ. v.12 Whose baptism are we baptised into? Jesus'

@TrygstadBryan @1984_nate Why are you wilfully missing his point? His point is that the passage says the believer was raised - given life - with Christ, not so as he may be capable of faith, but THROUGH faith. This means that the believer had to have faith in place in order to be raised - given life.

Colossians 2:12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. Raised with Christ TO or THROUGH faith? Let the reader understand.