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Unfortunately Owen who is usually very sensible and smart has fallen for Russian propaganda.
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Owen Jones@owenjonesjourno

12 million people are estimated to have been killed by economic 'shock therapy' in Russia alone. Russia suffered the worst peacetime economic collapse of a major industrialised nation in history. The Russian economy nearly halved. The fall in Russian output was much worse than that caused by the Nazi invasion in the 1940s. Russian male life expectancy fell by 6.5 years, to 57.6 - back to its mid-1950s level. The overall fall in life expectancy was on the scale of Vietnam during all-out war in the 1960s. The suicide and homicide rates doubled. Real incomes collapsed by 40%. At the time of the Soviet collapse, one in fifty Russians lived in poverty. By the end of 1998, that surged to nearly one in every five. Full employment gave way to mass unemployment. As healthcare funding collapsed by a third and poverty surged, disease such as diphtheria, tuberculosis and syphilis rampaged. Russia was taken over by oligarchs, gangsters implicated in serious crimes who stole the country's resources. Murderous conflicts in the former Soviet territory included Chechnya, where potentially hundreds of thousands were killed. Yeltsin's contempt for democracy was underlined by his bombing of the Russian legislature - and the undemocratic farce of the 1996 election. Putin came to power after the Russian secret services almost certainly staged apartment bombings which killed hundreds. The invasion of Ukraine has killed hundreds of thousands of people. Need I go on? Yes, the collapse of the Soviet Union was one of the great catastrophes of our age. An alternative would have kept the USSR together (Baltic states aside) on a democratic basis, without ruinous shock therapy. Notably, a Soviet-wide referendum in March 1991 overwhelmingly voted to keep the Union together (although it was boycotted by six of the fifteen republics - in the Baltic and three small republics).

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Evil Dmytro Komarov
Evil Dmytro Komarov@fakemykola·
"Great British Empire brought civilization to its colonies" rethoric, but somehow coming from a British leftist?
Owen Jones@owenjonesjourno

12 million people are estimated to have been killed by economic 'shock therapy' in Russia alone. Russia suffered the worst peacetime economic collapse of a major industrialised nation in history. The Russian economy nearly halved. The fall in Russian output was much worse than that caused by the Nazi invasion in the 1940s. Russian male life expectancy fell by 6.5 years, to 57.6 - back to its mid-1950s level. The overall fall in life expectancy was on the scale of Vietnam during all-out war in the 1960s. The suicide and homicide rates doubled. Real incomes collapsed by 40%. At the time of the Soviet collapse, one in fifty Russians lived in poverty. By the end of 1998, that surged to nearly one in every five. Full employment gave way to mass unemployment. As healthcare funding collapsed by a third and poverty surged, disease such as diphtheria, tuberculosis and syphilis rampaged. Russia was taken over by oligarchs, gangsters implicated in serious crimes who stole the country's resources. Murderous conflicts in the former Soviet territory included Chechnya, where potentially hundreds of thousands were killed. Yeltsin's contempt for democracy was underlined by his bombing of the Russian legislature - and the undemocratic farce of the 1996 election. Putin came to power after the Russian secret services almost certainly staged apartment bombings which killed hundreds. The invasion of Ukraine has killed hundreds of thousands of people. Need I go on? Yes, the collapse of the Soviet Union was one of the great catastrophes of our age. An alternative would have kept the USSR together (Baltic states aside) on a democratic basis, without ruinous shock therapy. Notably, a Soviet-wide referendum in March 1991 overwhelmingly voted to keep the Union together (although it was boycotted by six of the fifteen republics - in the Baltic and three small republics).

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Oh dear :(
Owen Jones@owenjonesjourno

12 million people are estimated to have been killed by economic 'shock therapy' in Russia alone. Russia suffered the worst peacetime economic collapse of a major industrialised nation in history. The Russian economy nearly halved. The fall in Russian output was much worse than that caused by the Nazi invasion in the 1940s. Russian male life expectancy fell by 6.5 years, to 57.6 - back to its mid-1950s level. The overall fall in life expectancy was on the scale of Vietnam during all-out war in the 1960s. The suicide and homicide rates doubled. Real incomes collapsed by 40%. At the time of the Soviet collapse, one in fifty Russians lived in poverty. By the end of 1998, that surged to nearly one in every five. Full employment gave way to mass unemployment. As healthcare funding collapsed by a third and poverty surged, disease such as diphtheria, tuberculosis and syphilis rampaged. Russia was taken over by oligarchs, gangsters implicated in serious crimes who stole the country's resources. Murderous conflicts in the former Soviet territory included Chechnya, where potentially hundreds of thousands were killed. Yeltsin's contempt for democracy was underlined by his bombing of the Russian legislature - and the undemocratic farce of the 1996 election. Putin came to power after the Russian secret services almost certainly staged apartment bombings which killed hundreds. The invasion of Ukraine has killed hundreds of thousands of people. Need I go on? Yes, the collapse of the Soviet Union was one of the great catastrophes of our age. An alternative would have kept the USSR together (Baltic states aside) on a democratic basis, without ruinous shock therapy. Notably, a Soviet-wide referendum in March 1991 overwhelmingly voted to keep the Union together (although it was boycotted by six of the fifteen republics - in the Baltic and three small republics).

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@tiberiusfiles Concentration camps for Muslims? Or do you deny that genocide? All independent trade unions banned. Anti LGBT Police state and ultra militarism
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Natasha Crow
Natasha Crow@Socialist_Crow·
@UnionJacked__ @xoaanya I wouldn't try to fix the problems in Nigeria without first doing a shit ton of studying about Nigeria and the problems it faces.
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Aanya@xoaanya·
Everyone says AI will replace most jobs. But if there are no jobs, there’s no income. No income means no spending. So how does the economy even function? What am I missing?
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I think that’s a problem in itself. Every economy is quite different. Applying a European economic system (Marxism) to let’s say Nigeria, just isn’t going to work. You have to start with some principles and beliefs - and tailor to the country and the time. That’s why I’m a pragmatist - not dogmatic.
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Natasha Crow
Natasha Crow@Socialist_Crow·
@UnionJacked__ @xoaanya To some extent, yeah. But that's the good thing about blue prints: they can be altered before the building starts.
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@Socialist_Crow @xoaanya I think because no one agrees on what “good looks like” that’s the problem. So for me “best” might be a certain set of things, but for you it’s somewhat different. And there’s no way to reconcile that difference in opinion.
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Natasha Crow@Socialist_Crow·
@UnionJacked__ @xoaanya I agree it's subjective, despite previously referring to it as objective. I thought about using scare quotes. I don't think that matters much. A lot of things are, yet we've built a society which is progressively getting better, as the vast majority would agree.
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Union Jacked 🇬🇧 💪@UnionJacked__·
As a way of thinking about the world I think it has some value and it is interesting. It’s good that there’s another way of seeing things rather than through liberalism and conservatism. But as a blue print for society, I think even Marx would say it’s out of date and can’t be copied and pasted.
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Natasha Crow@Socialist_Crow·
@UnionJacked__ @xoaanya The old style, sure. It is clear from history what didn't work. But Marxism is still very relevant today.
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For a start “best” is subjective and can’t be quantified. As a liberal and they’ll tell you best means a liberal economy. Ask a socialist and they’ll say a socialist economy. In terms of what can raise living standards the most among other things, we probably don’t actually know.
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@Socialist_Crow @xoaanya I think the old style Marxist interpretation can never work and will never work. It has fundamental flaws. But the new idea of socialism as a modern and adaptive economy - where the state guides rather than trying to do everything could work.
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@Socialist_Crow @xoaanya In China, I would say it is state led capitalism. It’s not actually a socialist market economy - it’s just the closest thing that exists to that. A real socialist market economy wouldn’t be capitalism.
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I duno, back then you could afford to buy a 4 bed home on a post man’s salary. Nowadays, someone on £75k couldn’t buy that sort of house on their own. But my argument isn’t we must return to the 1945 state social democracy. It’s much more - we need to start with that but we require new ideas and ways of doing things
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Natasha Crow
Natasha Crow@Socialist_Crow·
@UnionJacked__ @xoaanya That model is another argument for why it's wrong to say that the economy is everything. That's a model designed to fix the systematic problems where ordinary people always have a bad deal (more crumbs is still a bad deal) forced upon them, even when the economy is doing well.
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Even if there wasn’t a mass flight of CEOs, you’d still start attracting people who will do the job for a fraction of the pay and will deliver a fraction of the service - making our companies worse and less competitive with the rest of the world. Granted the point on shares, which means the policy makes even less sense. Because you’re cancelling millions in tax receipts and people will just increase the shares they take instead. So it solves no problem, while creating several others. Just increase tax rates.
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@UnionJacked__ @maxcownie_ People aren’t going to leave London regardless because it’s the financial capital of Europe and probably 2nd in the world after NYC Most CEO’s in the US aren’t paid more than $200,00 to $300,000 anyways, most of their pay comes from stocks
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Yes, but if getting closer to that ideal causes unintended consequences (it has done throughout history) then maybe we need a new ideal. I genuinely think if Marx was around today he’d rip up his previous work and start again. Because society and the economy is fundamentally different today and requires new solutions.
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Natasha Crow
Natasha Crow@Socialist_Crow·
@UnionJacked__ @xoaanya It doesn't really matter if the very best we can imagine actually exists, or even if it can actually exist. It's an ideal. The point is how distant from it we are now, and how close to it we can get under an alternative system.
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I disagree a bit. If you look at the post 1945 system, you had high taxes on the wealthy, and a mechanism to redistribute this toward new public services and programmes. As well as the commanding heights of the economy in government ownership. I think a future capitalist system could do that again, plus a UBI to eradicate poverty permanently. The problem you’d face if you went for a more communist system is you could accidentally blow up the economy, and have lots of unintended consequences. In my view some sort of hybrid market / socialist economy is the best option. Look at the good parts of what China does with markets but a central government with publicly owned companies competing with each other.
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Natasha Crow
Natasha Crow@Socialist_Crow·
@UnionJacked__ @xoaanya Yes, but think of an objective scale with points for both capitalism and socialism on it. The 'best' for capitalism will be distant from, and could never reach, the 'best' for socialism, because of its wealth distribution system.
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@Socialist_Crow @xoaanya In terms of countries that have achieved “better” it’s the social market economies in Scandinavia. They’re the best example of doing better compared to everything else.
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