Valerian Sede

"The Church nonetheless endures, and upon their corpses she raises her brow to the heavens. Such is the greatness of this queen. The more she is attacked, the more victorious she is; the more snares are set for her, the more prisoners she takes; 👇

@FrValerii @WireCatholic If he reject totally Vatican II and call for an Concile of some sort to obtain a universal acceptance maybe ?

@WireCatholic Without sarcasm, let's say Thesis clergy got a couple of traditional cardinals, or converted some modernists, and they elected a pope without you, Bp Roy and others. 1) Can you recognize them as cardinals/electors? 2) Can you recognize the pope elected in such a way?

Did I understand correctly that the CMRI priest, Carlos Zepeda, is saying that these cardinals are valid and they can elect the Pope?

@IMcmlviii69665 @austinemarie777 @FrOkerulu Well. The future will tell us who was right. In the meantime, let us pray for one another. I hope that when the hour of death comes for you, you will call a validly ordained priest to give you holy absolution... May the Star of the Sea guide you through this storm.

@ValerianSede @austinemarie777 @FrOkerulu Problema ninguno, pues en los tiempos del fin la Iglesia debe pasar una prueba final; Gran Apostasía, debe ser quitado el Katéjon y debe ser abolido el Sacrificio Perpetuo, etc, que es obvio que sin Papa, no hay Obispos y sin Obispos no hay Sacerdotes, sin estos no hay Sacrificio

Dear Fr Okerulu @FrOkerulu, In your article "On the Present State of the Church of Christ, A Defense of the Theological Sedevacantist Position" (strcnigeria.org/wp-content/upl…), you vehemently assert that the "institution that proceeded from the Second Vatican Council, 4 together with its entire hierarchy, must be considered a non-Catholic sect distinct from the Roman Catholic Church, and it cannot not be considered as a separate non-Catholic sect." From this, you argue that "the ministers of the Novus Ordo hierarchy are prevented both by Divine Law and Canon Law from electing or being elected into any office in the Catholic Church but most especially into the office of the Roman Pontiff." Fr Pergiorgio Coradello has responded to you, in his article "By what title…?" sodalitiumpianum.com/by-what-title/ I quote: [A] “conciliar church” distinct in all respects from the Catholic Church does not juridically exist. [T]he hypothesis according to which the elect and the electors would not be eligible because they belong to heretical and schismatic sects, in short, they would be outside the Church ... [S]etting aside the fact that no Authority has ever attributed these qualifications to Vatican II,  I respond: Has there ever been an authoritative denunciation of the membership of these individuals in heretical and schismatic sects, a membership that would vitiate their  appointments? Has there ever been an authoritative and legal nullification of this colored title that  exists in fact? ​... In short, what authority of the Church has declared these ineligibilities? No one, because we are without an Authority.  Lacking an authoritative denunciation, even an ineligible one maintains a purely colored title until his election is annulled. The arguments described above all emanate from “totalist” circles, arguments that cannot be invoked unless supported by a denunciation holding ecclesiastical authority, and thus having juridical validity. ​In this regard, it is of interest to note what Father Zapelena S.I. wrote about the power that someone outside the Church can have:: “That someone who is not a current member of the Church could be a subject of ecclesiastical jurisdiction results [also] from two proofs: the first is that even a manifestly heretical priest has jurisdiction to absolve a faithful who is suffering from a terminal illness, something admitted by all theologians; and then from the fact that the separated priests of the Eastern Church [schismatics] have, by tacit papal concession, jurisdiction to absolve sinners in the sacrament of penance, and this not only in the extra-ordinary case of serious illness, but in ordinary and daily cases of Christian life (33).  It is true that in these cases jurisdiction is being dealt with in the internal forum; but jurisdiction in the internal forum does not differ in kind from jurisdiction in the external forum: and therefore it must be concluded that the intimate nature of jurisdiction does not essentially require that its possessor be someone who is a current member of the Church” (34).  Along the same lines, we know for certain from canon law that an excommunicated person can exercise jurisdiction (and every heretic is excommunicated). Theologians then commonly admit that a bishop who is secretly a formal heretic does not lose his own jurisdiction (35) (36). Many claim this also of the Pope, and not only as a “secret heretic” but also as a “private heretical doctor” (37). A note to the reader: I am not saying that a “pope” who teaches heresies, or who objectively does not want the good of the Church, or who was elected in a fraudulent manner, is Pope: I am only pointing out that a heretic and a schismatic, whether secret or manifest, can have a false title that even allows them to have jurisdiction and some power and role in the Church; which is already much more than what we will be interested in saying further on in this article! ... ​These objections fundamentally miss the mark, because they fail to consider what is necessary: the Church is a society both human and divine, and for this reason in the cases described the intervention of the Authority is required (or a public and explicit admission from the elect, which, given human psychology and even more so the psychology of the modernist, will happen with difficulty).  For the same reason, it must always be possible for a Pope to be elected in the ways established by Jesus Christ, by the hand of God but with the cooperation of human means that He himself established once and for all in the apostolic hierarchy. And for the same reason, a “conciliar church” distinct in all respects from the Catholic Church does not juridically exist. End Quote. 😎😎😎

@IMcmlviii69665 @austinemarie777 @FrOkerulu What would you have said during the great western schism !

@ValerianSede @austinemarie777 @FrOkerulu ¿Y por qué no los luternos también? Tanta queja del ecumenismo conciliar y ustedes quiere hacer lo mismo, son tan liberales como ellos..

@IMcmlviii69665 @austinemarie777 @FrOkerulu Absolutly. But some can profess error without being pretinacious = not formelly heretics. (I do not speak of Anglicans, grecs "orthodoxes", etc)

@ValerianSede @austinemarie777 @FrOkerulu "De corde credimus et ore confitemur unam ecclesiam, NON HAERETICORUM, sed sanctam Romanam catholicam et apostolicam, extra quam neminem salvari credimus." Inocencio III

@IMcmlviii69665 @austinemarie777 @FrOkerulu You seem to have lost the sens of catholicity.

@IMcmlviii69665 @austinemarie777 @FrOkerulu By Oriental it is obviously catholic one. I recall there are some of them who are united with Rome. All those who kept the true faith even if they adhere in good faith to some errors, and without pertinacity.

@IMcmlviii69665 @austinemarie777 @FrOkerulu The problem is non a vacancy until the Parousia, it can be, and possibly will, but the absence of real means to provide to the Roman See. Even if un fact it never append.

@ValerianSede @austinemarie777 @FrOkerulu Llevan lo mismo sin Papa, la diferencia hay varios "Papas" thucistas. El Primado es por institución divina, y una Sede vacante hasta la Parusía es absolutamente posible cuando antes de esta, la Iglesia de medio exiret y no tendrá Sacrifició y Roma será la sede del Anticristo.

@IMcmlviii69665 @austinemarie777 @FrOkerulu Note that this is not what the Unam Sanctam initiative calls for, but rather for the gathering of ALL the pastors of souls of the Church, including the ordinaries of the Eastern Churches, conservative NO, SSPX, SSP, etc, for the adequate representation of the universal Church.

@ValerianSede @austinemarie777 @FrOkerulu Lo que SÍ es imposible es que los electores del Papa (elección canónica) sea una turba de intrusos sin misión ni jurisdicción nacidos en 1981 de un apóstata liberal (Thuc) que ya en 1978 generó un falso Papa en el Palmar de Troya y otro en Asís en 1994.

@IMcmlviii69665 @austinemarie777 @FrOkerulu Almost 70 years... the Antichrist is late. This opinion could hold in the early times, but 70 years of irremediable vacancy… One again : no electors = no papacy not even in potency = impossible. This is a principle of natural law of any society.

@ValerianSede @austinemarie777 @FrOkerulu San Pedro al Katejón y del Katejón a Nuestro Señor. El Katejón se entienda también el imperio espiritual ejercido por el Pontífice romano sobre las naciones cristianas (S. Tomás). El Katejón es el mismo Papa, que debe ser quitado para que llegue el Anticristo y luego Cristo.

@IMcmlviii69665 @austinemarie777 @FrOkerulu You use words that you empty of their meaning. In what way does the Primacy endure, if it no longer exists either in act (a currently reigning Pope) or in potency (a real capacity in a subject to elect a successor)?

@ValerianSede @austinemarie777 @FrOkerulu La continuidad moral persiste, pues persiste el Primado que se haya producido la Gran Apostasía y la operación de error y no haya electores canónicos por renuncia tácita del Catolicismo es consecuencia de los tiempos predichos que señalan la Parusía, quitado el Katejon...

Why then did God choose for her this state of unceasing warfare? It is to make her triumph more glorious." Saint John Chrysostom

the more she is outraged, the more radiant she becomes! Always wounded, she never succumbs; always beaten by the waves, she is never submerged; always shaken by the storm, she never shipwrecks. She struggles and does not fall; she fights and is never defeated. 👇

"The Church nonetheless endures, and upon their corpses she raises her brow to the heavens. Such is the greatness of this queen. The more she is attacked, the more victorious she is; the more snares are set for her, the more prisoners she takes; 👇

@IMcmlviii69665 @austinemarie777 @FrOkerulu Ok I did not saw this one. But still. You did not answered to the objection. x.com/ValerianSede/s… No more voters, no means to elect a successor = no moral continuity, no more Church = impossible.

@ValerianSede @austinemarie777 @FrOkerulu Pueden desaparecer todas las iglesias particulares ya que no tienen la promesa, menos la Sede de Roma por el Primado que es de continudad moral, de San Pedro al Katejón, y del katejón a N.S.J.C. Las sectas cismáticas Thuc sin misión ni jurisdicción no tienen promesa alguna.

@IMcmlviii69665 @austinemarie777 @FrOkerulu I can not see a clear response. Maybe I'm stupid.

@ValerianSede @austinemarie777 @FrOkerulu Ya te lo puse anteriormente. Léete lo que te pongo y traduce los textos de las imágenes que te pongo.

@IMcmlviii69665 @austinemarie777 @FrOkerulu So no more electors for you. So no moral continuity. You can use the word but it is empty.

@ValerianSede @austinemarie777 @FrOkerulu ¿Hay Canónigos de Letrán? Pues ahí tienes la respuesta.

@IMcmlviii69665 @austinemarie777 @FrOkerulu So for you the legitimate electors now are the Canonicals of Laterano ? 13 messages for not prooving the existence of a impediment of validity for the priesthoud. This is illicite for your opinion. Like I said...

@ValerianSede @austinemarie777 @FrOkerulu Y si pretende apelar al can. 20 este solo le llevará a los Canónigos de Letrán, pues son los sucesores del clero romano y se fundamenta en un acto voluntario del Pontífice históricamente demostrado. No le lleva a un conventículo de intrusos sin misión ni jurisdicción.

@IMcmlviii69665 @austinemarie777 @FrOkerulu That is your opinion, based on your obstinate refusal to consider superior, immutable, and universally recognized principles… May God have mercy on you.

@ValerianSede @austinemarie777 @FrOkerulu Obvio, el Papa hace las veces de Cristo en la tierra y si el Papa dice "Ipsum Suprema Nostra auctoritate nullum et irritum declaramus" así lo tomo, por más que los thucistas se autoperciban como obispos católicos, cuando no lo son y jamás lo serán.

@IMcmlviii69665 @austinemarie777 @FrOkerulu You should know that all the canonical law is know limited to the 1917 Code, and the one given after. After looking to your blog, I start to think I'm loosing my time ...

@ValerianSede @austinemarie777 @FrOkerulu …vacantisapostolicaesedis.blogspot.com/2023/06/no-dec…

@IMcmlviii69665 @austinemarie777 @FrOkerulu Conversely, you treat canonical and ecclesiastical laws as if they were divine law. Besides, even the latter is subject to interpretation according to circumstances: 'You shall not kill,' for example.

@ValerianSede @austinemarie777 @FrOkerulu Ustdes creen que usos muy estables son Normas divinas, cuando no pasan de ser Normas canónicas, que la Iglesia puede modificar.