Supremely Okay Takes

@lesbianbrig Mercy and Kiri are the greediest characters in the game, they're like pigs at the trough pushing out others as they feast on all the cosmetics and collaborations. Ana simply isn't that, it's not hard to reconcile.

a lot of the hate mercy gets is simply bc shes mercy and everyone denied it back then but look at what’s happening now

this looks so good I love it but im not seeing half the backlash mercy got when she received a second mythic

@PO2qv @Minervamineralp @kyuusyuha_001 The implication is that the company benefits from withholding the discontinued game and that somehow this serves the creative forces, the customers and the artistic intent of the game itself. I see nobody served here other than greedy shareholders who value nothing but the IP.

@VeryOkayTakes @Minervamineralp @kyuusyuha_001 私たちが著作権を守っているのは遵法意識もあるが制作者へのリスペクトの面が大きい。それに企業に奉仕というが海賊版によってその企業に利益がなければ続編や新作が作るという事もできない。法律を守ることでこちらにもその企業からの新しい商品が提供されるという利益があるから法律を守っている

外国人の海賊版擁護を見て「ここまで遵法精神を持ち合わせていないのか」と驚愕してる

@koko971409 @yuka_9324 @LCbutter Crunchyroll came years and years after fansubs first started. Originally they were on VHS and subs made using the Famicom titler. Industry and innovation can't always succeed through conventional channels, but the laws of supply and demand should always be met.

@VeryOkayTakes @yuka_9324 @LCbutter Crunchyrollの事言ってます？海賊版を擁護する人達の決まり文句の一つだよね。 でもCrunchyrollは特殊な条件が重なって成功した例だから他の海賊版全体と同列に語ることは出来ないんだよ。 例外事例を一般化して、数少ない功績を構造的な害悪の免罪符にしないでください。

海外では「売ってくれないんだから海賊版に手を出すのは正当な行いだ」みたいなカスの考えが蔓延ってるって本当か？ 「金払うって言ってるのにセックスしてくれないからレイプする」みたいな蛮族の考えじゃん。恥知らず過ぎるなー

@DHKLOK @Pugnus_Simia @magozone23 They think the company should be able to dictate every aspect of interaction with the game. The culture of adherence to rules and regulations runs so deep that even if the rules don't stand up to scrutiny or reality, they'll still stand by them, because they are the rules.

@Pugnus_Simia @magozone23 Wait you can download it??? It's literally just the server connection that's not available? So these JP posters are just compaining about a complete reverse engineering. That's not even piracy lol

権利者の受けられるはずだった利益を侵害してますわ アウトです、どう言い繕おうが 例えば海賊版で楽しんだヤツってのは、日本企業に本来の代金に近しい金額を寄付したりしてますの？ 無料で勝手に楽しんでるんでしょ？ それは恥ずべき事、盗っ人側だけが利益享受して企業や作者には一切プラスがない

@passonco @syosin_kai People still buy the DRM free games, despite them being easily able to be pirated. It's not about cost, it's about providing the best and most worthwhile service. A company should understand that providing service to customers should come first. This is SQEX failure completely.

@syosin_kai GOGは「うちのプラットフォームで売るゲームはすべてDRmフリーですよ！」とアピっているのと、「新品を定価で買うよりも時間をおいてバグ修正とセールを待った方がコスパいい」みたいな話はどちらもあるかなあと

もし 「サービスが終了したものは企業の損害にならないのでコピーは悪いことではないよね」 という意識が一般化するとですね、 「1円もサービスに金を使わず、早期サービス終了を願い、終了と同時にハックしてただで利用する」 という行為が消費者的に最適解になってしまうんですよね

@syosin_kai You're viewing it from the perspective of a zero sum game. Many people want to and do support the production of new games and content, whilst also understanding that without doujin content and fan supported services, the thing they love will die off.

@koko971409 @yuka_9324 @LCbutter Japanese anime did not exist overseas as it was seen as unprofitable, until the huge international market was revealed through piracy and unauthorised fansubs. Not only was it the opposite of what you're claiming, piracy actually created the conditions for the market to thrive.

@yuka_9324 @LCbutter 海外展開には多額の費用とリスクがかかるのに、海賊版の存在によって市場データが歪み、収益性が低く見積もられてしまうことがあるんですよね。 その結果、「儲からない市場」と判断されやすくなり、海外展開が進みにくくなるという悪循環が生まれてるから、そう簡単に変わるのは難しい気がします。

@LCbutter You're confusing copyright law with natural law. 1000 years ago copyright wouldn't and couldn't exist, yet barbarians would be put to death for that crime. Conflating these two things shows a grave moral failure on your part, and you talk about shameless?

@Minervamineralp @kyuusyuha_001 These laws are not morals. You are not following a moral direction, you're blindly adhering to laws, laws that don't even serve you, your culture or country. It only serves the corporation. This sense of morality is being perverted into blind loyalty for a corporate entity.

@kyuusyuha_001 もしかして日本って世界一の民度なのでは…？ それ以外はクソなのでは…？ と驕ってしまいそうになる

@puuuu_ch @BourgeoisRadley If the game were pirated in another galaxy, where SQEX had no idea it even existed, would that be wrong? Laws should exist to protect people (before anything else) and to serve the culture and country. Does it not feel wrong to you that nobody is hurt, yet you're told it's wrong?

@BourgeoisRadley すごく単純で日本の法律を犯して欲しくないというだけだよ。 でも、もう遊ぶことが出来ないゲームを何とかして遊びたいという気持ちは理解できるよ。 いい方法があるといいんだけどね。

話題のNieR、海外と日本の価値観が違いすぎるな。 サ終したならもう遊べないのが当然の日本人と、遊ぶ方法が無いのなら海賊版を作ればいい！遊ばせない企業が悪い！っていう発想にはびっくりしちゃった。 わたしが思うより、国の隔たりって大きいものなのかも。

@sasori_yokuneru Laws are for people who respect them. Games are human culture and art, art is above petty laws. If the laws do not serve the art and the people the art was made for, then the laws are wrong.

NieR Reincarnation プライベートサーバーの問題ってさ、日本以外のほとんどの人が著作権法とか商標法、不正競争防止法っていう法的概念を知らないし問題だと思ってないらしい。 彼らは義賊の素晴らしい行為だと言っていて、興味深いんだよね。 文化の違いだよ。

@zettonhatuoi3 @NoxelGinOokami They would never give up a single grain of sand if they thought it might affect their accounts by ¥1. The creators and artists don't have the freedom to give access to their works anyway, the rights holders are the ones and they aren't creatives. They only know greed.

@NoxelGinOokami クリエイター及び権利者に許可を取ってやるなら良いと思います(´・ω・`)

このニーアリィンカネのコピー問題、一生燃えてるわね(´・ω・`)高い文化の壁を感じる ほとんどの日本人からしたらマジでただの泥棒にしか見えないんだけれど、一部の海外の人からしたら芸術を守る保護活動だそうな(´・ω・`)マジで言ってるなら相互理解に100年かかりそう

@tinjao_rosu_ @Alison_is_lost This is true, but from a moral perspective, do you not think Konami have taken his original work through the legal process? By all rights as the named creator throughout, it feels wrong that Konami can just denigrate his work, turning it into little more than a pachislot brand.

@VeryOkayTakes @Alison_is_lost 小島秀夫に関しては契約上の問題。

Even if Nier Reincarnation was legally available, pirating it still wouldn't be immoral, by the way

@tinjao_rosu_ @Alison_is_lost There exist provisions for what is called "fair use". These need to be expanded massively. Publicly abandoned works should be stated as being supported if they intend to republish them, this should be the standard. The ownership of the culture should belong with the fans though.

@VeryOkayTakes @Alison_is_lost それを正式に伝えるなり要望を粘り強く出すとかやり方は他にあるよね？ 違法なことをやるんじゃなくてちゃんと伝えなよ。 権利を持ってる人間が発表するもしないも権利を持ってる人間や企業の自由だ。

@tinjao_rosu_ @Alison_is_lost Copyright as it exists is evil. It actively tries to stop small creators and takes control away from creatives. Look at how Konami have abused Metal Gear. That belongs to Hideo Kojima by any standards, but thanks to copyright, they have stolen it from him and from the world.

@VeryOkayTakes @Alison_is_lost あなたが著作権は悪と言い切るなら無くすべきものなのじゃないの？ 少なくとも日本では企業に守られてるクリエイターもいっぱいいるし企業に属していないクリエイターもいっぱいいるけど？

@tinjao_rosu_ @Alison_is_lost This is a theoretical damage though. If SQEX released NieR Reincarnation as a manga, anime, stand-alone app or as a live action play, they would sell as many copies as they could make. The choice to not do this and not announce that they are doing so is on them.

@VeryOkayTakes @Alison_is_lost もしサービス終了したゲームをストーリーの部分だけ後から売る予定があったのにリソースとお金が海賊版の対処に使われて出なくなりましたってなったら悪いのは誰？この場合誰が被害を被るの？ それは企業もクリエイターもだけどそれ以上に正式に遊びたかったファンだよ

@IIIHUSKIII @gamer13583316 @8_7_10 Their IP is more than just the name, it's their reputation. If an individual creator makes a "Mario" game, does it replace Nintendo's? Look at Palworld. Gamefreak and The Pokemon Company have gotten lazy and produce derivative slop. Competition is good for the customers.

@VeryOkayTakes @gamer13583316 @8_7_10 If Nintendo never make another Mario game, they kind of do. They have no control over the physical games they sold to people already, but they absolutely do not need to allow anyone else access to their IP after the fact.

これ叩くのあまりにもムーブメントが大企業の犬すぎるだろ 現在その国で売られているゲームを割るのはアホだが，現状その国はおろか世界中ですでにサービスを終了しているゲームであれば，別にミラーを作ってもその企業が金銭的損失を被るわけではないんだから……

@tinjao_rosu_ @Alison_is_lost It doesn't need to be abolished, it needs to be reworked. I am a huge fan of doujin works and wish for more of those small creators to succeed. There are many artists who would never have gotten started in a corporate environment, but in the doujin scene they can flourish.

@VeryOkayTakes @Alison_is_lost なら著作権が悪ならばそれがなくなったら個人クリエイターは海賊版が出回ったら収入もなくなるけどそれはいいの？

@uncleflappy87 @otokyo__ As I alluded to, James Bond is a specific character, from a specific time. I don't like him being in the modern era either, as it takes away a lot of what makes him a good character. He's a particular archetype from a particular era, there's nothing wrong with preserving that.

It’s a fair point, but I would rebut that James Bond has taken on more of a role than just a character. He’s an idea, a representative of the latest and greatest tech, tricks and gadgets. You’re not wrong at all but I politely disagree about him being exclusively white, as it were. I think Bond is a symbol of the times we live in at any given point, and the color of his skin should be a secondary trait. I understand and agree with your point to a certain degree. Having any American or other nationality would profoundly miss the point of Bond altogether. It’s a fun discussion either way.

Who would you pick to play the next James Bond?

@tinjao_rosu_ @Alison_is_lost It's the same "harm" that comes to companies either way. That is to say, the harm does not actually exist outside of a theoretical accounting line. Stealing actively published works is wrong, it harms creators and punishes fans. Discontinued work and original fan works are good.

@VeryOkayTakes @Alison_is_lost 少なくとも同人誌も厳密に言えば犯罪だよ？ でも同人誌はファンが2次制作として見逃されてるグレーな範囲。 そして同人誌には未来的にその企業が被害を被ったり利益につながるかもしれないことを潰したりはしない。