Father Ignatius Abassian

Part 1 11th of May, 2025 "You are a priest forever, according to the order of Melchizedek." By the grace of Almighty God, I have been chosen to carry the yoke of Christ, which is simultaneously heavy and light and produces the sweetest fruit in all of creation.

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@SBTVSM @EricWorthi81372 @Vikenab @TaylorRMarshall I'm protestant and the Bible says "this is my body" therefore it is literally his body because jesus literally says so.

Try to name ONE Christian author in the first 3 centuries who said the Eucharist is “just a symbol.”

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@Vikenab @Catholicizm1 Lol ok

Probably better to watch it dubbed in Spanish with English subtitles to avoid the ridiculous accents.

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@Catholicizm1 are people still unironically watching this show?

@DBrason @Catholicizm1 No, this was edited in the clip.

@Catholicizm1 Did they seriously use requiem for a dream? Wtf

@Lonestarorthox @riftenhammer @TaylorRMarshall As long as someone takes issue with further clarification of a dogma with metaphysical terms, they must reject ALL further clarification of any point of the faith using metaphysical terms, else they'd be using double standards. *The time when it happens* doesn't illegitimize it.

@Vikenab @riftenhammer @TaylorRMarshall Yeah I mean the Eucharist is Christ, so the distinction is pretty thin.

@riftenhammer @Lonestarorthox @TaylorRMarshall If using better and more clarifying terms for a dogma leads to other heresies (simply because they reject the truth) then all the other ecumenical council are subject to the same blame when they were rejected, and the Church has to combat further heresies because of them.

@Vikenab @Lonestarorthox @TaylorRMarshall 3) One was in response to heresy, nestorianism. The other arguably led to denoms defining their own specific Eucharist/Communions.

@riftenhammer @Lonestarorthox @TaylorRMarshall 1. With that logic, one could argue, "Nicaea and Chalcedon are untenable because they happened in the 4th and 5th century, whereas I keep the ante-nicene deposit of faith." Would that be heretical? 2. One is central to who Christ is, the other is central to what becomes Christ.

@Vikenab @Lonestarorthox @TaylorRMarshall 1) A pre-1054 majestrium determined that in the 4th century, transubstantiation was formally defined in 1215. 2) Subject material. 1 is central to who Christ is. The other is what is happening to bread and wine substances.

@Ruhe4rt @TaylorRMarshall Oh wow, what a spectacular argument! Do your Ad Hominem fallacies usually convince others of the truth or do you only use them to buttress your self-esteem issues? I haven't gone off topic once. I provided reasonable arguments, and you ignored them

@Vikenab @TaylorRMarshall I'm not the one going off topic, stay away from the kids!

@SBTVSM @TaylorRMarshall And here we see this "expert" in Systematic Biblical Theology. Wow... he surely convinced me! His argumentation is sublime! Perhaps even inspired by the Holy Spirit? May God have mercy on you, and may he soften your hardened heart with the Gospel truth.

@SBTVSM @TaylorRMarshall You just used multiple fallacies: strawman and Ad hominem. How hypocritical of you to accuse another of an error you plainly committing right now! You haven't engaged my argument in good faith the slightest. Instead you splurged the tired old polemics that children can disprove.

@Ruhe4rt @TaylorRMarshall You're an "adult" and claim to be a "Christian". Why not do your own homework and consult the Church Fathers, Ecumenical Councils, the Catechism, etc.? Or perhaps you're not debating me in good faith, and only want to "win arguments" for brownie points?

@Vikenab @TaylorRMarshall where does the "church" teach that?

@Lonestarorthox @riftenhammer @TaylorRMarshall But I digress... using metaphysical/philosophical language was appropriate to safekeep orthodoxy regarding the mystery of who Jesus Christ is. Why is it now inappropriate to do the same for the mystery of the Eucharist, who is sacramentally Jesus Christ?

@Lonestarorthox @riftenhammer @TaylorRMarshall Nicaea (later confirmed and better clarified by Chalcedon) coined the term homoousios with the Father, and two natures (divine and human) united without confusion, without change, without division, without separation in one person/hypostasis.

@Ruhe4rt @TaylorRMarshall Where does this say the Eucharist is purely symbolic? I see it says Christ is our Passover, which is exactly what the Church teaches. Christ is the Passover sacrifice, and this sacrifice is eternally poured out for us in the Eucharist.

@Vikenab @TaylorRMarshall John 19:30 Icor 5:77 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

@Lonestarorthox @riftenhammer @TaylorRMarshall Then do you assent to the fittingness of the use of metaphysical and generally philosophical terminology to better clarify the hypostatic union: two natures and one essence of Christ?

@Vikenab @riftenhammer @TaylorRMarshall Sure……what’s the carrot?

@riftenhammer @Lonestarorthox @TaylorRMarshall Do you accept Nicaea I admire authoritative, and necessary to give intellectual assent to in order to be orthodox?

@Vikenab @Lonestarorthox @TaylorRMarshall 4th century, Brother said first 3. Regardless, To my knowledge Transubstantiation isn't mentioned. But I am happy to learn something.

@Lonestarorthox @riftenhammer @TaylorRMarshall You'll see where I'm getting at. 😁

@Vikenab @riftenhammer @TaylorRMarshall Ooooo I want to know what you mean. Is there something in Nicea one that supports transubstantiation?

@Baptist1679 @TaylorRMarshall Both St. Irenaeus of Lyon and St. Hippolytus of Rome established that infant baptism is an Apostolic Tradition. Just like the Eucharist, Confession, 3-tiered priesthood, and many other Apostolic Traditions that modern Evangelicals reject.

@TaylorRMarshall Name ONE before the late 2nd Century that promoted infant baptism.....

@TungstenMonarch @TaylorRMarshall I highly recommend you read The Fourth Cup: Unveiling the Mystery of the Last Supper and the Cross, by Dr. Scott Hahn.

@TaylorRMarshall OK, Jesus when he said of the afikomen this is my body and of the 3rd cup of wine in the Passover, saying this is my blood. He did not have to say, this is a symbol because the Passover meal by default is symbolic.

@Ruhe4rt @TaylorRMarshall Book, chapter, and verse please.

@TaylorRMarshall Jesus. He said it symbolizes the Passover which symbolized him. You added 'just' oh ye of little faith.