@days_differ@ReallyAPrince@prnvsym@doxmedont That’s empathy
Morals are internal beliefs and rules that define what is right and wrong action
Empathy can make morals
But not all moral choices are empathetic
@WhipperFapperJr@ReallyAPrince@prnvsym@doxmedont Morals are intrinsic. It's based on the ability to think from another person's perspective because you don't want something happen to others which you don't want happen to yourself.
@hermetic_honey@sikel777@CatholicCharm Biggest evidence in my favor is look at Christian vs Muslim countries
Most Christians secularize their governments while several Muslim countries still to female genital mutilation and child marriages
@hermetic_honey@sikel777@CatholicCharm Sahih Bukhari 1862 women can’t travel without a man
Surah Al-Ahzab 33:59 only women have hijab requirements
Sahih Bukhari 3237 angels curse women for rejecting sex
Sahih Bukhari 5134 6 year old Aisha getting married
Surah An-Nisa 4:24 have sex with women who are already married
@hermetic_honey@sikel777@CatholicCharm Surah An-Nisa 4:34 says beat women
Surah Al-Baqarah 2:282 women are half the witness
Surah An-Nisa 4:11 half of the inheritance
Sahih Bukhari 304 women have deficient minds
Sahih Bukhari 3241 most people in hell are women
Sahih Bukhari 4425 women shouldnt rule
@hermetic_honey@sikel777@CatholicCharm The church fathers are not infallible, and idk why you went to the gospel of Thomas??
The captives women could leave, and numbers is Moses speaking not God very possible he was acting in sin
@WhipperFapperJr@sikel777@CatholicCharm "[...] the older women [...] can urge the younger women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God."
— Titus 2:3-5
@WhipperFapperJr@sikel777@CatholicCharm But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety."
— 1 Timothy 2,11-15
@hermetic_honey@sikel777@CatholicCharm Again women’s role in the church structure doesn’t equal less as humans
Adam is also blamed for the fall of humanity and Mary is the one credited with bringing the savior into the world
@WhipperFapperJr@sikel777@CatholicCharm “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner…
@hermetic_honey@sikel777@CatholicCharm “Nevertheless, in the Lord woman is not independent of man nor MAN of woman; for as woman was made from man, so man is now born of woman. And all things are from God.”
Gender roles doesn’t mean one gender is less
@WhipperFapperJr@sikel777@CatholicCharm The Bible goes on to say women were created by God for the benefit of men.
"For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man: for neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man:"
— 1 Corinthians 11:8-9
@hermetic_honey@sikel777@CatholicCharm Do you know what the word glory means? Woman being the glory of man means the perfection of humanity
If being glory means less than, would Jesus be less than the Father for being the reflection of his glory
@WhipperFapperJr@sikel777@CatholicCharm — 1 Corinthians 14:34-35
"For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man."
— 1 Corinthians 11:7 The Bible goes on to say women were created by God for the benefit of men.
@hermetic_honey@sikel777@CatholicCharm Scholars debate this letter being for a specific church with a specific problem, dont have to be universally applied. Even if, churches are meant to have a structure
Gender roles doesnt equal one gender being less
female figures r important in the church thru out the bible
@WhipperFapperJr@sikel777@CatholicCharm "Let your women keep silence in the churches:for it is not permitted unto them to speak;but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."
@hermetic_honey@sikel777@CatholicCharm 1st Peter 3:7
“Likewise, husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way, showing honor to the woman as the weaker vessel, since they are heirs with you of the grace of life, so that your prayers may not be hindered.”
Roles don’t mean one is less
@WhipperFapperJr@sikel777@CatholicCharm wives should obey their husbands:
"Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;"
— Peter 3:1
@hermetic_honey@sikel777@CatholicCharm This law was reforms concubine practices and allow concubines to move into the wife/family category instead
Notice how “martial rights” matter if this was just a slave it wouldn’t
@WhipperFapperJr@sikel777@CatholicCharm A father could sell his daughter into slavery, being the father's property:
"When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do."
— Exodus 21:7
@hermetic_honey@sikel777@CatholicCharm Theres debate Im not smart enough to get into questioning if that verse even is about rape
Numbers 30:5 allows a father reject the marriage
Genesis 24:57–58 explicitly shows a girl being asked if she wants a marriage to take place
It’s possible the girl could reject
@WhipperFapperJr@sikel777@CatholicCharm An unmarried woman must marry her rapist:
"then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days."
— Deuteronomy 22:29
@hermetic_honey@sikel777@CatholicCharm Was Adam not punish during the fall?
Against I never claimed Christianity was a feminist religion, it was gender roles within relationships
That’s not a universal command that women are less then men
@WhipperFapperJr@sikel777@CatholicCharm "Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy pain and thy conception; in pain thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."
— Genesis 3:16