The Wildest Mouse
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The Wildest Mouse
@WildMouseG
Qualia amateur
Argentina Katılım Ağustos 2019
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Set aside "qualia fields" (at best, an "implementation" detail). If we agree that physical states ARE experiences, then what else there is to say?!
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Taking this as a given, either aliens, LLMs (and basically everything to some degree) have inner experiences (even if completely exotic); or you're missing the issue that's tagged as hard.
Tenobrus@tenobrus
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Someone could say: yes, there IS something in my brain that is blue and circular: *points to the screen*
I feel like Tenobrus' argument is just kicking the hard problem down the road. So, does every physical state correlate with "experiencing something"? No? Why? How?
QualiaNerd@QualiaNerd
@tenobrus So then there actually is something in your brain that is blue and circular? Because 🔵 itself is blue and circular, so if it really was a physical state in your brain, then that would have to mean that a physical state in your brain is blue and circular.
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Well if you’re a materialist (which i agree is the scientifically logical default conclusion) then panpsychism is just that broken up into smaller pieces.
If not, why would there be some specific arrangement of material where consciousness begins? That would imply some binary “switch” where consciousness begins, rather than there being a spectrum of conscious experience, from “more” to a limit of 0.
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you still don't meditate daily bc you think you need "more discipline" when you really just need community
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@david_helgason @tszzl There are information-rich systems in regular physics, and that doesn’t invalidate the laws. I don't think panpsychists are saying human consciousness is fundamental.
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@WildMouseG @tszzl Also consciousness seems to me to be "too information rich" to be fundamental.
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@david_helgason @tszzl One's own subjective experience should be part of any really unified theory.
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@WildMouseG @tszzl Seems fundamental to one's own subjective experience, but not from the perspective of physics.
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@david_helgason @tszzl When we find another quality as fundamental as our moment-to-moment experience, we’ll definitely theorize about it.
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@tszzl I don't seem how to be a panpsychist. Both feels like a misplacement of consciousness and places too much importance on consciousness (e.g. maybe there is this other quality X that we feel is super important and therefore should be a fundamental field or related to it).
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@tenobrus @CurtTigges We're here to answer questions if you'd consider network spirituality
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nick land is explicitly antihuman and antiflourishing, and landian-descended philosophies are just as demonic. e/acc and milady are both poison fruits borne from staring into a horrible nightmarish abyss and deciding to let it consume u instead of standing up and fighting back.
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@tenobrus @CurtTigges Holy shit I didn't know Moloch was actively recruiting
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i sent this vid to a friend recently which made me rewatch it. i was taken aback by how exquisitely clear these instructions are - masterful example of teaching and distillation. it's so difficult to be this... precise with language
youtube.com/watch?v=cZ6cdI…
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En passant is obviously a game balancing rule, in response to the fact that pawns can move twice if they haven't moved yet (this rule is for making the early game more interesting),
but what is your guys' headcanon for what is actually happening in the world of chess?
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