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Katılım Mart 2026
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@JoeHellas @ReginaldoC66100 @CompellingDNA No, very few adopted alleles come from Neanderthals/Denisovans and they explain less than 5% at most of any particular phenotypical variance, (skin, eyes, etc) and you’re right but most of the strongest evidence points to OOA
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Joe Hellas@JoeHellas·
@Wind_Drawn @ReginaldoC66100 @CompellingDNA Mate, skin colour like every other trait is environmentally determined. The Neanderthal were in Europe for 500,000 years. Europeans and East Asians carry many of their beneficial adaptations. Light skin was very likely one of them. And “out of Africa” isn’t settled science.
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Wind@Wind_Drawn·
@JoeHellas @ReginaldoC66100 @CompellingDNA Diet, light skin wouldn’t have selective pressures if you have enough vitamin d in your diet, which you would during the ice age when you eat a lot of meat.
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Wind@Wind_Drawn·
@valuebasedintro @copperskin722 Again, this is proving my point. Sickle cell can be had regardless of ancestry. I’m not saying they’re the same but they’re closer than you’re admitting. I’m also saying the reason they’re different is due to socio economic factors the rigidified by social systems.
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Wayne West
Wayne West@valuebasedintro·
@Wind_Drawn @copperskin722 You’re trying to say both groups are similar, That’s why I’m asking you why does their bloodwork say different. Why would two similar groups have different outcomes? Most of Egypt has sickle cell prevalence because most of them live by the Nile lol.
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Wind@Wind_Drawn·
@valuebasedintro @copperskin722 I’m talking about the tribes with the highest Bantu ancestry (least forest hunter gather). And the closer to Great Lakes having more prevalence would be proving my point.
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Wayne West@valuebasedintro·
@Wind_Drawn @copperskin722 And of course you’re going to have to be specific with the tribes in Congo but the ones that border the Great Lakes have more prevalence of the mutation.
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Wind@Wind_Drawn·
@valuebasedintro @copperskin722 I didn’t see it in the paper either, I saw it in a discussion on the paper on X a couple days/weeks ago, I’ll try to find it but I doubt I will. I’ll reply to this thread when I find it though.
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Wayne West@valuebasedintro·
@Wind_Drawn @copperskin722 I mean of course if you try and map a population like that the Hutu dna is going to be way more apparent lol. Also I just skimmed past the source and so no mention of the sample being from Uganda
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Wind@Wind_Drawn·
@valuebasedintro @copperskin722 What issues? This shows on a genetic level the average Rwandan, (some of these samples probability wise have to be non Hutu,) show majority Bantu. I heard the Rwandan samples were Rwandans in Uganda which would make them mostly Tutsi samples further supporting majority Bantu
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@Chartchameleon1 @Maqitzara We have data for general Kinyarwanda speakers (who are mostly Hutu) and it points to a similar conclusion

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Wayne West@valuebasedintro·
@Wind_Drawn @copperskin722 This is why I have my assertions. I also compare them to other East African Bantus who absorbed southern cushites tribes and dont seem to have the same issues compared to that region.
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Wind@Wind_Drawn·
@valuebasedintro @copperskin722 Hutus have less sickle cell than Congolese, why? In Rwanda sickle cell has a prevalence of 2.7% compared to Congo 24%, why is that? Why does Egypt have a 3%-5.3%? What exactly is your point?
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Wind@Wind_Drawn·
@valuebasedintro @copperskin722 We do see it though. We see that Hutus inherited a lot of southern nilote ancestry as well as lactase persistence, they have the easy African derived variants.
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Wayne West@valuebasedintro·
@copperskin722 @Wind_Drawn Then this would show in blood work taken. I think people vastly overestimate how much mixing happened lol.
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Wind@Wind_Drawn·
@copperskin722 @valuebasedintro Yes, I will say this was probably more common pre nyiginya dynasty. Most people don’t know this but most of the cattle keeping culture in this region is Bantu derived. Urewe was a Bantu pastoral culture that predates expansion of southern nilotes into the region.
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ابن الغرب
ابن الغرب@copperskin722·
@valuebasedintro @Wind_Drawn You're wrong here bro. Tutsi and Hutu always intermixed before the colonization. A Hutu could also switch his status and become a Tutsi and vice versa. That's why you find a lot of Hutu with Nilotic and Cushitic DNA too, although it remains much minor than Tutsi.
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Wind@Wind_Drawn·
@valuebasedintro @copperskin722 Sure but more than Hutus ≠ that their primary haplogroups aren’t Bantu. Again, social norms isolated both groups to different singularities (profiles) but they have the same 3 ancestral components meaning differences are due to centuries of social pressures.
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Wayne West@valuebasedintro·
@Wind_Drawn @copperskin722 Tutsi carry more of both Nilotic and southern cushite haplogroups which is why they map closer to other southern cushites or Nilo Cushitic people. Furthermore, characteristics Tutsis have don’t just appear out of nowhere, these are environmental adaptations not socioeconomic
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Wind@Wind_Drawn·
@copperskin722 @valuebasedintro No you mean pastoralists have been in eastern African starting around that time. But migrations into the Great Lakes(inter-lacustrine regions) was starting around 1000ad but yes pastoral communities lived in places like Kenya and TZ since the Neolithic
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ابن الغرب@copperskin722·
@valuebasedintro @Wind_Drawn Tutsi Nilotic and Southern Cushitic ancestors are in the Great Lakes region since the Neolithic. The Tutsi ethnogenesis is relatively recent in history.
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Wind@Wind_Drawn·
@valuebasedintro @copperskin722 Yes a later migration but we see evidence in areas like Rwanda stating 1000ad as southern nilotes moved south. (Southern nilotes are one of the primary ancestors of Tutsis)
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Wayne West
Wayne West@valuebasedintro·
@Wind_Drawn @copperskin722 And I’m not sure the Tutsi have been in the Great Lakes for that long. They exhibit way less sickle cell mutations compared to other Great Lake groups implying a later migration into the region.
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Wind@Wind_Drawn·
@valuebasedintro @copperskin722 Also Hutus are 42-55% lactose persistent. Compared to 4% in their Congolese neighbors. This proves inherited traits in early mixing events. Hutus tend to show around 50-60% Bantu and the rest being nonBantu. Sickle cell is also in Egypt. It’s tropical adaptation.
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Wayne West@valuebasedintro·
@Wind_Drawn @copperskin722 I genuinely don’t believe they heavily married into the Hutu Bantu. Especially some specific clans. Not to mention their bloodwork says different, Hutu present less lactase enzymes on average compared to Tutsis and Tutsi exhibit less sickle cell mutations compared to Hutu Bantu
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Wind@Wind_Drawn·
@valuebasedintro @copperskin722 Again this means nothing to what i said. Please read. I said their ethnogenesis requires each other. Neither group exists today without each other. Yes once systems became rigidities social norms policed how people married but this holds no bearings to origins.
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Wind@Wind_Drawn·
@valuebasedintro @copperskin722 What does that even mean? Every male has a y haplogroup signifier. Your haplogroup is a tiny portion of your autosomal make up. But it signifies lineages. So your father’s father’s father and so on. And you’re obviously mistaken, every test shows clear admixing events.
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Wayne West@valuebasedintro·
@Wind_Drawn @copperskin722 I’m going to heavily dispute the heavily mixed claim. Every test we see from the Tutsi dna tests say otherwise. And not to mention the obvious phenotypical presentations. Like if you want to argue someone like Kagame has majority Y haplogroup then I don’t know what to say.
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Wind@Wind_Drawn·
@mandelasmind @copperskin722 They do have oral histories but we know these are prone to political, social, and economic influence. We can use their oral histories to piece together aspects that we know to be true
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Mandela@mandelasmind·
@Wind_Drawn @copperskin722 People just ignore the inhabitants and impose their own theories. You do realize people in the great lakes know their own histories right? It doesn't have much of anything to do with these weird theories
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