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@Xaverius_1402

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Samuel
Samuel@unmovediguana·
@Osarseph0 Is flip-flopping on how poor a Franciscan should be really on the same level as holding pagan prayer meetings for world peace?
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@JustinusRomanus Christ's Church was mislead by dusty and rancid presupposition since Trent, probably Constance. I got it. We're still not on the same page as your ecclesiology is entirely foreign to me. God speed.
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Konrad von Marburg
Konrad von Marburg@JustinusRomanus·
Thats not what I said. I an speaking of the unstated presuppositions that characterized and conditioned the weltanschauung of most Catholics after the reformation (thought it began in some way a bit before this, mostly in response to Constance and the GWS); not anything dogmatically defined by a Pope or Council.
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FX 🇦🇹@Xaverius_1402·
@JustinusRomanus So not even ecumenical council have anything to say. I think this is a good place to agree that we strongly disagree.
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Konrad von Marburg
Konrad von Marburg@JustinusRomanus·
@Xaverius_1402 On the contrary, we threw out all those dusty and rancid tridentine presuppositions decades ago.
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FX 🇦🇹@Xaverius_1402·
@JustinusRomanus Then you live in a church divorced from living authority and determine what is authentic tradition is based on your private opinion. Sounds like a nice place to be, but it's unfortunately all make-believe.
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Konrad von Marburg
Konrad von Marburg@JustinusRomanus·
Oh nothing in particularly, I'm more an Augustinian in the Bertian sense than anything else - but when people call you a Jansenist over simply believing in the authentic tradition of the Church as it existed for essentially the entire medieval period, you tend to pick up the label just to piss them off.
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Radical Augustinian
Radical Augustinian@Alice_Mary96·
Praying for war refugees, an act of Christian charity, and being asked to take in illegals who cross a dozen safe countries are two different things May. Members of the ultramontane church exclusively focus on the latter policy. Their desire for virtue signalling is insatiable.
May Winter@MSugma71483

@GM20198114 These people would have called St.Pius X a Marxist

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FX 🇦🇹@Xaverius_1402·
@JustinusRomanus Then I truly wonder what moves people to cling to a 17th century error that begins in quasi-Calvinist moralism, morphs into anti-Romanism and divine-right regional particularism, and ends in inconsistent philosophical and theological mush. Please enlighten me.
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Konrad von Marburg
Konrad von Marburg@JustinusRomanus·
@Xaverius_1402 Oh well no wonder youre pissed, the great Jansenist pope, St. Paul VI, ruined the baroque tradlarp that had been shoved down everyone's throats for two centuries.
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Konrad von Marburg
Konrad von Marburg@JustinusRomanus·
Thank you for conceding that Liberius and Honorius were heretics.
The WM Review@TheWMReview

Some people object to the idea of "heresy by omission" – and this objection is especially mounted by defenders of the Novus Ordo rites and the documents of Vatican II. Fr Raffaele Pierotti OP was Master of the Sacred Palace and papal theologian under Pope Leo XIII. In 1896, the Pope assigned him the task of summarising the papers of the Papal Commission on the question of Anglican Orders. The "painstakingly fair summary" in his "Votum and Report" was essentially the final step before Pope Leo XIII issued Apostolicae Curae. Some defenders of the validity of the Anglican rite had argued that the Anglican rite only conveyed error by omission, and that therefore a Catholic form used in such a rite would retain its Catholic meaning (and thus, they would argue, be sufficient for validity). Here is what Fr Pierotti made of this argument: "I must now add a few words about the replies given to this question by the defenders of validity or doubtful validity. Gasparri replied that in the new ritual heresies are not expressed positively but only negatively, and therefore the heretical doctrine of the compilers is not clearly expressed in it. "To this I reply that there are sins both of commission and of omission, and that in order to call a rite heretical, it is not necessary that heresy be positively professed in it, when the Catholic dogma has been removed from it, nor does it follow that the dogma has to be denied. "For example, to render the form of Baptism invalid, it is not necessary that there be in it an explicit denial of the existence or divinity of the Holy Spirit; it would be enough to omit the mention of this third divine Person, precisely in the way that the compilers of the Ordinal have acted in omitting the mention of the order or the power that is being conferred. "By this they have said clearly enough that they do not believe in the existence of the Sacrament of Orders." In other words, it is possible to profess heresy "negatively" by omission, as well as "positively". This has implications for the documents of Vatican II – as @FrDesposito is arguing in thread from which the quote tweet is taken – as well as for the Novus Ordo rites themselves. Defenders of both claim that they do not contain positive expressions of error or heresy – but even if this was conceded, the fact that the documents were composed and the rites were mutilated in order to please the world and non-Catholics is sufficient to convey the belief of those who framed them. --- With thanks to the friend who drew our attention to this document, which is found in Anglican Orders: The Documents in the Debate, p 254-5, ed. Christopher Hill & Edward Yarnold SJ, Canterbury Press, 1997, (n. 54 of the Votum and Report of Fr Pierotti)

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Konrad von Marburg
Konrad von Marburg@JustinusRomanus·
@Xaverius_1402 Well lets see, I accept Cum Occassione and Ad Sanctam, together with the Forumulary and Unigenitus, Ex Omnibus and Auctorem Fidei, even the decree on frequent communion under Pius X (despite its prudential flaws); so unless you're hiding a papal bull under your floorboards...
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FX 🇦🇹@Xaverius_1402·
@JustinusRomanus You tell me. I'm not the one badmouthing St. Alphonse by quoting Jansen on this platform.
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Konrad von Marburg
Konrad von Marburg@JustinusRomanus·
@Xaverius_1402 Well lets assume I am a drooling idiot. Enlighten me, if you will, as to what propositions or pontifical decrees I obstinately reject or am unaware of?
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FX 🇦🇹@Xaverius_1402·
@JustinusRomanus Oh, I know about them... and their endless reservations. Just like the modernists whose precursors they are. 🤷‍♂️
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Konrad von Marburg
Konrad von Marburg@JustinusRomanus·
@Xaverius_1402 If you knew anything about they Jansenist controversy, then you would know that there were Jansenists who accepted these bulls.
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FX 🇦🇹@Xaverius_1402·
@JustinusRomanus I assumed Jansenists were smarter and could gather my meaning, namely: if you yourself subscribe to heretics, Catholics will take no particular heed of your faulty judgement. Or are Jansenists just playing dumb again, as in 1665?
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FX 🇦🇹@Xaverius_1402·
@JustinusRomanus Ever since "Ad sanctam beati Petri sedem" and "Regiminis apostolici" it's been quite clear who likes to use cheap excuses to evade serious arguments. 🤷‍♂️
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