@GKMasterson@omgsidewalks Still zero connection made between social credit scores and means of production, just a bigger list of authoritarian states. And apparently the final boss of this argument is "go live in Africa." Genuinely thought you had more rounds left in you.
I called it. No True Scotsman and goalpost shifting.
I did provide several other examples if China was the one sticking in your craw, all of them doing a version of the social credit system.
You can’t admit that socialism leads to state control which leads to tyranny and has lead to 100,000,000+ deaths in the last century alone because socialism means never having to say you’re sorry.
You’d rather pretend to do something good by doing something horrible that scratches that envy itch, like pulling someone down instead of lifting someone up, and call it virtue.
So, whatever. There are several nations listed already that practice socialism. Go live in one of them or in one of the many others in Africa.
@nopcog@tetrarosie Nobody said free, I said better outcomes for less total spend. Anecdotes about people you met at Mayo Clinic aren't a healthcare metric. The US spends ~17% of GDP on healthcare and still ranks worse on life expectancy and infant mortality than countries spending 10-12%.
In Scandinavia there is no income too low to tax. That's what progressive tax code means. And Canada, Germany, and the rest of Western Europe are in deep trouble with collapsing demographics and a Muslim invasion dooming their social programs. Finally, I invite you to visit the Mayo Clinic, where I get my healthcare, and you'll meet tons of Canadians and Europeans who are paying full fare out of pocket because free and good are two very different things. Free ain't free and in a monopoly, there are no incentives to control costs but rationing of care through long waiting periods and denial of cutting edge care. That's the real world.
@GKMasterson@omgsidewalks You've written an entire choose-your-own-adventure book where every path leads to me being wrong, but somehow none of the paths involve you explaining how the Chinese social credit system has anything to do with socialism as an economic model, lmao.
And now we’re entering the No True Scotsman round.
Fine. North Korea, the USSR, Cuba, and Venezuela under Chavez. All of them would, did, and do deny “public services” to anyone they view as a dissident.
Or are you one of those who thinks Solzhenitsyn made up the whole gulag thing?
I predict that your next move will either be a continuation of the No True Scotsman or you’ll attempt a goalpost shift and say you just want the Nordic model which relies on an ethnically homogeneous culture with a useful resource like petroleum but is otherwise just a welfare system running atop a capitalist economy.
I would then counter with explaining that a social welfare system has nothing to do with seizing the means of production and that my argument isn’t against the existence of a safety net but rather favors something other than the government running it because the government sucks at it. You’ll respond by calling me some flavor of fascist either directly or indirectly and I will respond with a roll of my eyes and a quote from my favorite GenX philosopher, Squall Leonheart.
@GKMasterson@omgsidewalks China isn't socialist, it's a one-party state running state capitalism. The social credit system isn't a socialist policy either.
Have you not heard of the Chinese social credit system?
Nice projection, though, considering that the original post does exactly what you accuse me of. It creates a strawman version of capitalism skewers it.
Capitalism, for all its problems, doesn’t require jailing or killing people who criticize its flaws and people are free to choose not to participate in it.
Try that in China. Let me know how it works out for you.
@nopcog@tetrarosie Thanks for confirming they're capitalist, that was never the debate. Canada, Germany, and the Netherlands aren't homogeneous and still beat the US on healthcare outcomes and social mobility. Try again.
Also 52% pay no income tax because wages are too low to tax, lol.
They are capitalist countries with tiny racially homogeneous populations (until they let the Muslims in and today their model is under great strain) who pay MUCH higher taxes across the board, the average middle class Swede pays 56%, PLUS they all have 25% VATs and have the combined unique blessings of geothermal, hydropower, and huge oil and gas reserves to supplement the costs. America has the most progressive tax system in the world and 52% of our population pays no income tax at all. We have no VAT. And there aren't enough billionaires to pay for what we have now let alone the stupidity people like you want. Oh, and lest you forget, inflation despite all the ignorant bullshit has only one cause: the government printing too much money for the economy to productively use. Your every idea is the exact reverse of what we should do. You ignorant moron.
@GKMasterson@omgsidewalks This is the whole trick, you can't defend capitalism on its actual record, so you invent a fictional socialism to lose to instead.
But do tell me more about these famous socialist fire departments with social credit scores.
As I said in the first iteration of this idiocy:
“Socialism is the fire department refusing to put out your fire because your social credit score is too low and you probably are a kulak who deserved it.
Capitalism is being able to own all the fire suppression you want even if the government doesn't like it.”
@nopcog@tetrarosie Name one metric (healthcare outcomes, education, life expectancy, social mobility, etc.) where deregulated low-tax economies beat the Nordic model.
Take your time.
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