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Listen to Jesus's Voice. Is He not The Word? He says or does nothing that isn't done or directed by His Father. No one knows who He or His Father is. Yet we bypass THE WORD and call the one that steals, kills and destroys, "God?"

I am not asking you to stop believing in God. I am asking you to reconsider whether the God Jesus called Father is actually the same being the Old Testament calls Yahweh. That may sound extreme at first, but it is a fair question. Jesus did not come saying, “You already know the Father.” He said the Father had to be revealed. He told religious people who knew the Hebrew Bible that they did not know His Father. That alone should make us slow down. Most Christians are taught the answer before they ever examine the problem. They are told Yahweh is the Father, then every passage is forced to fit that conclusion. But when you compare Yahweh’s actions with Jesus’ description of the Father, the tension is not small. Jesus teaches enemy-love. Yahweh commands enemy-destruction. Jesus forgives freely. Yahweh often punishes severely. Jesus says the Father gives bread, fish, and eggs to His children. Yahweh tests people with hunger, sends serpents, and kills in the wilderness. Jesus heals people without demanding sacrifice first. Yahweh’s system is built around law, blood, priesthood, curse, and threat. You can call that “mystery” if you want, but at some point contradiction has to be faced as contradiction. The real question is not whether a text uses the word “God.” The real question is fruit. Jesus told us to judge the tree by its fruit. So we should ask plainly: does Yahweh’s fruit match the Father Jesus reveals? I know the standard objection: “That sounds like Gnosticism, Marcionism, or heresy.” But labels are not arguments. Calling something heresy does not prove it false. Calling something Marcionite does not answer the evidence. The question is not whether this makes later Christianity uncomfortable. The question is whether Jesus Himself speaks and acts as though the Father was unknown, misunderstood, and hidden. If Yahweh was already clearly known as the Father, why did Jesus need to reveal the Father? Why did He say no one knows the Father except the Son? Why did He tell the religious leaders they had never heard the Father’s voice or seen His form? Why does He contrast “My Father” with “your father” in John 8? Those are not minor details. They are central to the conflict. So I am not asking you to accept my conclusion immediately. I am asking you to investigate the question honestly. Read the Gospels straight through and pay attention to what Jesus actually says and does. Do not rush to Paul. Do not rush to church doctrine. Do not rush to later creeds. Stay with Jesus. Ask whether Jesus is confirming Yahweh or exposing a different Father altogether. If Yahweh really is the Father, the claim can survive investigation. But if the only way to defend that claim is to ignore the contradictions, soften Yahweh’s violence, and explain away Jesus’ own words, then maybe the problem is not with the question. Maybe the problem is with the answer we inherited. ❤️‍🔥

@leahtrell @NoahP11108963 @IsraelAnderson "Tune into" the Jesus of the gospels as he appeared to the LOST SHEEP of Israel. The spiritually poor. The spiritual captives. The spiritually oppressed. ALL are spiritually blind. NO ONE knows who Jesus is and NO ONE knows who His Father is. The Good News is YHWH is not Him.

Oh wow. Just like YHWH. “Thus says the Lord of hosts, Render true judgments, show kindness and mercy to one another, do not oppress the widow, the fatherless, the sojourner, or the poor, and let none of you devise evil against another in your heart.” Zechariah 7:9–10 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God? Micah 6:8 For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings.  Hosea 6:6 The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness. Lamentations 3:22–23 Do I actually delight in the death of the wicked, declares the sovereign Lord? Do I not prefer that he turn from his wicked conduct and live?Ezekiel 18:23 For I take no delight in the death of anyone, declares the sovereign Lord. Repent and live! Ezekiel 18:32 You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the sons of your own people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord. Leviticus 19:18 If your enemy is hungry, give him bread to eat, and if he is thirsty, give him water to drink, Proverbs 25:21 All day long he craves and craves, but the righteous gives and does not hold back.  Proverbs 21:26 “Is not this the fast that I choose: to loose the bonds of wickedness, to undo the straps of the yoke, to let the oppressed go free, and to break every yoke? Is it not to share your bread with the hungry and bring the homeless poor into your house; when you see the naked, to cover him, and not to hide yourself from your own flesh?  Isaiah 58:6–7 I could keep going, but I won’t. Have you not read the book of Jonah? How YHWH is kind to Israel’s enemies and wants to save them? Have you actually studied the OT at all? It really doesn’t seem like it.

Attention blasphemers! Your cult leader, Israel Anderson @IsraelAnderson can’t seem to keep his story straight. On October 27, 2024, Anderson uploaded a video (“The Good Father Discourse Pt2 - A New Discovery in the Bible”) claiming that in 2023 Jesus spoke to him. He says he was making food or about to make food and he was thinking about Luke 11:11. He claims he was thinking he “really needed to go look at that whole thing and see if there’s anything else around there.” So he’s “thinking and making food or about to make food” when Jesus stopped him and said, “No, now. Go look at it right now.”

@NoahP11108963 @leahtrell @IsraelAnderson The point being that He's not describing your god. Merciful? Kind to ungrateful and evil people? When?

@ak_cheese @leahtrell @IsraelAnderson Do you do that?

@NoahP11108963 @leahtrell @IsraelAnderson Tune in. Jesus describes His Father: But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to ungrateful and evil people. Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.

When are you going to realise that the Pharisees were a minority sect who were apart from Israel. Do you ever read the Bible? Ezekiel 34:30 Then they will know that I, the LORD their God, am with them, and that they, the house of Israel, are My people,’ declares the Lord GOD. 31‘You are My flock, the sheep of My pasture, My people, and I am your God,’ declares the Lord GOD.” 1 Peter 5:2 Be shepherds of God’s flock that is among you, watching over them not out of compulsion, but willingly, as God would have you; not out of greed, but out of eagerness; John 10:16 I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them in as well, and they will listen to My voice. Then there will be one flock and one shepherd.

@NoahP11108963 @leahtrell @IsraelAnderson He saw that Jesus was under an authority that nobody in Israel knew about.

@ak_cheese @leahtrell @IsraelAnderson Yes because the centurion believed without having to be given a sign or a miracle. His faith was enough.

@NoahP11108963 @leahtrell @IsraelAnderson Obviously, you can accept the Son and not know who He is. Jesus had disciples that didn't know who He was. A Roman Centurion was first to demonstrate an understanding. Jesus said so to His disciples. Matthew 8:10, Luke 7:9

@ak_cheese @leahtrell @IsraelAnderson Only the ones who reject the Son are rejecting the Father as well. If you reject the Father, you reject the son. Do you see how the believers were being separated from the unbelievers?

@NoahP11108963 @leahtrell @IsraelAnderson Many were witnessing and believing.. His sermon to 5K, healing lepers, healing mothers, healing daughters. Yes many believers that Jesus was the Messiah. Still, no one knew who the Son is other than the Father, and no one knew the Father other than the Son. <few exceptions>

That's not true at all. Lots of Jews were witnessing and believing Jesus was the Messiah. Read John 12. It was the Pharisees (chief priests) who were wrongly accusing Jesus of blasphemy to try to get Him killed, just like Satan is the one who accuses and has to be rebuked by YHWH. They were acting LIKE the devil.

@leahtrell @NoahP11108963 @IsraelAnderson Who is the devil? 66+ books and the devil can't be personified. Yet Jesus, who can't find anyone in Israel, beside a Roman Centurion, that understands who He is, says out loud, in the Temple, in YHWH's presence, that the father of those celebrating the Passover is the devil.

First of all, you can’t just pull Jude 9 out of it’s context. We need to understand what Jude is doing. He is warning the people against false teachers who have come in and are denying the lordship of Jesus and denying His deity. They are encouraging the people to partake in sin. He is going to use analogy to compare these false teachers with the angels who sinned and left there first estate in verse 6. He’s telling you that Jesus/YHWH has kept in chains the Watchers from Gen 6:1-4 and 1 Enoch who went after strange flesh and had sexual relations with human women. But if we look at Enoch and the story of the Apkallu we can see that these angels didn’t just mate with human women. They taught humanity about warfare and witchcraft and divination. Gen 6:5 But the Lord saw that the wickedness of humankind had become great on the earth. Every inclination of the thoughts of their minds was only evil all the time. They were false teachers teaching humanity to do abominations, just like these human false teachers Jude is warning about. Then in verse 7 he brings up the men of Sodom who were trying to have sex with the angels who were rescuing Lot. Verse 8, we are back to the false teachers. Like the Watchers and the men of Sodom these false teachers are defiling the flesh, rejecting God’s authority and insulting the heavenly host. Verse 9 is Jude showing the proper hierarchy of things. Michael doesn’t rebuke the devil, he asks for the Lord to rebuke the devil. He is appealing to the Lord’s authority, not his own. The Lord is the judge, not Michael. This ties back to the false teachers who are not submitting to the lordship of Jesus. Furthermore, Jude is referencing a second temple writing called the Assumption/Testament of Moses. In the Testament of Moses Joshua is concerned about where Moses’ body is ending up. This has to do with cosmic geography. Moses is dying outside of the promised land. He is not going to be in the Lord’s land, he is in the enemies territory in the Trans-Jordan. I know you don’t care about any of what I just said, but context is important. Since you think YHWH is Satan you think YHWH and Michael are arguing over Moses body. That makes zero sense. Michael is the prince/angel/official (whatever translation you want to take) of Israel (Dan 10:21). YHWH is the God of Israel. Michael works for YHWH. If Michael is asking for the LORD to rebuke someone then he is referring to YHWH rebuking that being. YHWH is not Satan. YHWH sends Gabriel to Daniel. He interprets YHWH’s prophecy for Daniel. Gabriel is the one who tells Daniel about Michael. And how Michael is helping him fight the princes of Persia and Greece. If YHWH knows where Moses’ body is and Michael works for YHWH as Israel’s prince then why are they arguing? They wouldn’t be. The book that Jude is quoting, The Assumption of Moses/Testimony of Moses was written by Jews in the second temple period. These Jews did not think YHWH was Satan. When they wrote this work “the Lord” in the book was YHWH and the devil was not YHWH. No one back then thought that. Jude is not quoting a book that taught YHWH is Satan. He is quoting a book that taught that YHWH is Lord. There is no world in which Jude is telling you YHWH was arguing with Michael over Moses body. It’s just not possible. You are ignoring the fact that Jude is quoting a second temple JEWISH text. Michael Heiser does a deep dive into Jude. You should listen to it. It is the Naked Bible Podcast episodes 432-439. It might help you.

@leahtrell @NoahP11108963 @IsraelAnderson So let's hear your twist on Jude verse 9 What is this respect for the devil? Why mustn't I slander the devil? Why mustn't Michael the Archangel dare slander the devil himself? In OT Scripture, who was the last to know where the body of Moses was?

It is not in question. For certain men have secretly slipped in among you—men who long ago were marked out for the condemnation I am about to describe—ungodly men who have turned the grace of our God into a license for evil and who deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.  (Jude 4, NET) Jude says Jesus is our ONLY Lord. So even if Lord is the correct variant in verse 5 then it is still talking about Jesus our ONLY LORD. If He is Lord in verse 4 then He is Lord in verse 5. You need to understand that the NT teaches Jesus is YHWH. If you can’t accept that then you are worshiping a false Jesus. Now Enoch, the seventh in descent beginning with Adam, even prophesied of them, saying, “Look! The Lord is coming with thousands and thousands of his holy ones, to execute judgment on all, and to convict every person of all their thoroughly ungodly deeds that they have committed, and of all the harsh words that ungodly sinners have spoken against him.” (Jude 14–15, NET) That is about Jesus and it is calling Him Lord. Read the whole of Jude. Every use of Lord is referring to Jesus because Jesus is Lord because Jesus is YHWH. It’s right there in front of you.

@leahtrell @NoahP11108963 @IsraelAnderson The point is that the precise identity of who Jude said took "them" and then destroyed them is in question. I contend that Jesus doesn't kill people, He gives life. But He talks about someone that came before Him that steals, kills, and destroys. He wasn't talking about Himself.

@ak_cheese @NoahP11108963 @IsraelAnderson That is the TOTAL opposite of what the NET notes say. It says scribes were uncomfortable with “Jesus” and changed it to “Lord” or “God.” It also says the earliest and best manuscripts say Jesus. I have broken this down already in the below post. x.com/leahtrell/stat…

@leahtrell @NoahP11108963 @IsraelAnderson "Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus(*)... ...afterward destroyed those who did not believe.  (Jude 5, ESV)" (*)NET notes the scribes discomfort at translating "Lord" or "God" and instead chose "Jesus" instead. Interesting.

Because God has His own timing. He gave the promise of Jesus to Abraham. And then He gave the promise of the Messiah again to the Israelites in the dessert. And then He gave them hundreds of other prophecies about Messiah in the times after that. Our timing is not God’s timing. He knew exactly the right time for Jesus to come. And a lot had to happen before that. And Jesus, the Bread of Life, WAS with them in the wilderness. and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual Rock that followed them, and the Rock was Christ.  (1 Corinthians 10:4, ESV) We must not put Christ to the test, as some of them did and were destroyed by serpents,  (1 Corinthians 10:9, ESV) Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.  (Jude 5, ESV)

Jude verse 9 What is this respect for the devil? Why mustn't I slander the devil? Why mustn't Michael the Archangel dare? In Scripture, who was the last to know where the body of Moses was?

@RealCandaceO @timotheeology Christ is MORE than just The King. Study the Gospels where Jesus says things that Catholics (or any Christian) might not be allowed to hear.

@timotheeology Correct. But we are still permitted to read it which has always confused me a bit. Especially since portions of the Book of Enoch are referenced in Jude? Correct me if I’m mistaken. Still learning.

So weird. We just discussed the Book of Enoch in my last book club meeting. Particularly the description of what each fallen angel introduced to humanity. (Although it is not a part of canon, Catholics are permitted to read it.)

@RealCandaceO How transparent of Catholicism. 🙄 There are many ancient documents locked away in the Vatican that Catholics are NOT permitted access to. Truth? I think man is WAY more than man knows. Jesus certainly claims it to be true.

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@jsisco26 Jesus speaks. Facts. Anyone else speaks. Not so much.

@ak_cheese According as it is written, God has given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that should not see, and ears that should not hear unto this day...Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles Romans 11:8, 11

Listen to Jesus's Voice. Is He not The Word? He says or does nothing that isn't done or directed by His Father. No one knows who He or His Father is. Yet we bypass THE WORD and call the one that steals, kills and destroys, "God?"

@jsisco26 Jesus is the One to come. They (everyone) thought the One to come was gonna come blasting their oppressors. They (everyone) all celebrate the Exodus, Passover, and the crossing of the Jordan, etc. as YHWH victories. How can they NOT KNOW who the Father is??

@ak_cheese No one knows who He or His Father is? Philip said to him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us." Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

@LeadingReport Don't forget that the Father causes the son to rise on the evil and the good and He sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. The Father does not block the rain or sun based on His children's moral conduct.

President Trump will be reading the Bible, specifically 2 Chronicles 7:11–22, in the Oval Office on Tuesday, April 21, between 6 p.m. and 7 p.m. ET.

@NoahP11108963 @leahtrell @IsraelAnderson How well does today's individual perform? - any adulterous thoughts - has stole - lied - loves neighbor as self - loves only one Lord They couldn't pass these tests then, and we don't pass them today. YHWH led them into these temptations that he knew they couldn't resist.

@ak_cheese @leahtrell @IsraelAnderson Faith would have been enough to pass the test. The test is still the same today.

All Christian religious systems were built on the assumption that Yhwh is the Most High. Notice how they all deviate on so many issues, but never Yhwh. Yhwh is always God. Even the Freemasons have Yhwh as their God. Well isn't that so very interesting...