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@destiny_thememe @The5lacker ascendant hive vs. ascendant hive/hive lightbearers and Guardian vs. Guardian is the perfect proving ground for sword logic; you could still be allies, but you can just as easily hop into the crucible and kill each other endlessly for fun

@The5lacker What if i consider other lightbearer un-fuck-up-able bc theyre kinda on my side

Random lore-ish question: do you HAVE to be a dredgen to subscribe to Sword Logic? I get the whole "gotta destroy my enemies oop" but what if my enemies are like, the Cabal instead of my fellow Guardians.

i would be 100% okay with letting destiny die as a game if they kept continuing to release more lore in some way because that's genuinely the only thing i care about that i cannot find else where. i am very attached to the destiny universe even if it's a bit ass

@989Shockwave @Forcer69

@akka_exe @Forcer69 You do realise the Red Legion existed prior to TTK, right? Ghaul was put in command of it long before he led the Midnight Coup against Calus. I’d also bring up the fact that SIVA actually was relevant to the story later, Zero Hour and Eramis trying to claim it to reunite Devils

We really don’t talk about how much Bungie truly hates Rise of Iron - Wrath is the only D1 raid not in D2 - Ash & Iron’s existence - No siva in game, but 1/10 of Eververse cosmetics are Siva related - The Cosmodrome repairing itself, while being broken during 2018 FOTL - Retcons

@989Shockwave @Forcer69 yes, but the time between the Red Legion's inception, the Midnight Coup and the Red War isn't that long and yes, Outbreak Perfected is the vehicle by which the plot moves forward for Zero Hour, yet it is still not the main focus! Eramis and Mithrax are definitely at the top

@MikesGettnUpset @Forcer69 Quicksilver nanites are the "perfected" version of SIVA. While SIVA operates on a small collection of directives at a time, Quicksilver is almost living, breathing and changing at all times I would much rather have Bungie explore Quicksilver a little more than just revive SIVA

@akka_exe @Forcer69 I mean, SIVA was used in the creation of the nanites that build Neomuna and is what's in the Cloudstriders. There's got to be an easy way to revive Siva through Neomuna tech.

@989Shockwave @Forcer69

@akka_exe @Forcer69 ‘Can you tell me why the Devil Splicers used SIVA? Interesting, see how the Red Legion never came up? Checkmate.’ What kind of argument is this? Not everything has to be an integral piece of a larger story.

@989Shockwave @Forcer69

@akka_exe @Forcer69 You could say the same for the Red Legion. Introduced and defeated in their own game. A Raid Lair. Back to back seasons. And every other time they’ve been brought back. The super elite undefeated legion of the Cabal only works as a faction before you defeat them.

@989Shockwave @Forcer69 yeah, that's not even close to being the same. please remind me, what impact did SIVA have on the overarching narrative in the Light and Dark Saga? I'll tell you! None! because at the end of the day, SIVA was more memorable for its aesthetic and art design than anything else.

@989Shockwave @Forcer69

@989Shockwave @Forcer69 Ash and Iron is terrible, it should have been handled differently. Still not an effective metric for judging what should/shouldn't be used as a narrative device. SIVA entered and exited in the same DLC it was made for. The Red Legion was a core pillar of Destiny 2's future story/

@ParkerReidy @Forcer69 sure, that's valid. I'm also pretty annoyed by the red legion coming back all the time, would have preferred if Lakshmi just used the Echo to command Shadow Legion like she did in Episode Echoes but there's a lot to complain about when it comes to Ash and Iron

@akka_exe @Forcer69 The problem though, is that Bungie is so against SIVA that they literally had an easy way to bring it back in ash and iron, and said “nah let’s bring back the red legion”. Lacksmi could’ve used the time travel to bring siva and took control, easy W

@FrozenFreeHand @Forcer69 oh, yeah totally. I still think a lot of players don't even know that the Ishtar Collective perfected SIVA and that's why Quicksilver exists. most of the fault lies on Bungie since they never wrote anything too important about it after Lightfall, and people hate Ash and Iron

@akka_exe @Forcer69 I think where things can get muddied is the understanding with Neptune and their quicksilver nanites. But even then, they're just an evolved form of Siva so it would make sense why that's around even after Rasputin died. The nanites aren't part of Rasputin's network.

@ParkerReidy @Forcer69 and despite it being over, I'll still love the story and stand up for the writers when plot is misinterpreted or just plain false information is given. SIVA's entrance and exit in the story happened in the same DLC that it was written for. it was very clear, SIVA wasn't staying

@ParkerReidy @Forcer69 I'm very critical of Bungie's practices and decisions, just as much as anyone else. I love Destiny, I love the story, yet I can recognize that it's never been more over for the game I love. I have come to terms that there may not be a way back for this game. --

@Forcer69 @Skarrow9 that slime-mold on kepler got me seeing funny colors too, don't sweat it

@akka_exe @Skarrow9 I meant Exile, got them confused because I thought the Kepler house used the same yellow as their color.

@Nixie762x51 @Forcer69 of course we got rid of it. they made it very clear that once the replication chamber was destroyed and we killed Aksis, the threat of SIVA was gone. The Vanguard didn't even try to salvage anything from the Plaguelands, Zavala locked that shit down

@Nixie762x51 @Forcer69 It is a shame that they never brought it back, since it was such a fan favorite. I still feel like people are misunderstanding what the SIVA Crisis was originally about. This shit is an unstable technology that indiscriminately destroyed everything in its path

@Forcer69 @Skarrow9 Kings? Do you mean Exiles? House of Kings dissolved into House Dusk when Uldren and Fikrul killed their Kell, Craask between the events of Rise of Iron and The Red War.

@Skarrow9 I find it funny how they draw that line at Siva Fallen returning, but have no problem with - Bringing back Skolas (Who’s still alive) - Eramis - The entirety of Season of Plunder - A second house of kings on Kepler

@mememuffet @Forcer69 the nanites in Outbreak Perfected are programmed for a different purpose, and the gun itself is not capable of mass-scale SIVA replication like what was possible in the original replication chamber

@akka_exe @Forcer69 We have a firearm built around a siva engine