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In this present crisis, the American people are not the solution to our problem; the American people are the problem.

@LPaulson7 @KiPo1122273 @RpsAgainstTrump We won the war by any traditional definition. That doesn’t make it worth it. Those are different questions.

@KiPo1122273 @RpsAgainstTrump The only winner out of the Iraq war was in fact Iran…

Tonight, 23 years ago: the Iraq War begins. President George W. Bush: “American and coalition forces are in the early stages of military operations to disarm Iraq, to free its people, and to defend the world from grave danger.”

@davidk368430332 @Etch_Aic @knish_of_death My hot take is that, while I still don’t think you can seriously accuse the Israeli state of genocide, the UN definition is still too broad. There should be a meaningful distinction between killing of civilians and genocide.

@Etch_Aic @alt_ccc @knish_of_death By the UN definition both Israelis and Palestinians can plausibly be argued to have committed genocide but this segways into my personal eccentric opinion/musing that the concept of genocide is kinda dumb and not a real thing.

Is now a good time to point out that most Jews are ashamed of Baruch Goldstein, meanwhile this is just a common place sentiment for the Palestinian advocacy movement?

@knish_of_death @davidk368430332 @Etch_Aic So Israelis are just lying to pollsters and their most liberal politicians avoid saying anything critical of the notion of violence against civilians for fun?

The point is, even if the IDF did everything by the book, Gaza would still be fucked and there'd still be tens of thousands of dead civilians. There was no way to do a full military incursion into Gaza without that, which is why I opposed it from the beginning. Also, my entire fucking family is Israeli. I talk to them all the time. You don't need to tell me what Israelis think or believe.

@knish_of_death @davidk368430332 @Etch_Aic I will definitely concede that the IDF is much more moral than Hamas but that doesn’t mean Israeli society wants it to be

@davidk368430332 @Etch_Aic @alt_ccc And filmed themselves doing it

@knish_of_death @Etch_Aic @davidk368430332 Trump has never called for literally expelling all Hispanics yet this stuff still does hurt him. He just has some unique talent where almost nothing is a career ender like it would for anyone else.

@alt_ccc @Etch_Aic @davidk368430332 It wouldn't hurt Trump, that's pure cope dude. He said Mexicans are rapists and that he actively sexually assaults women and got elected twice. You just don't wanna be seen the same way so you tell yourself this nice story.

@knish_of_death @Etch_Aic @davidk368430332 The difference is that if an American politician openly calls for ethnically cleansing the country it would hurt them electorally.

They would ethnically cleanse all of the West Bank and Gaza, no question. Which is why they should be kept from levers of power at all costs, and Bibi is extra big piece of shit for cynically getting into a coalition with fanatics because he's obsessed with power. But hey, we elected Trump twice. We're just as fucking stupid.

@Etch_Aic @davidk368430332 @knish_of_death They’d do precisely that if you gave them the military superiority and a government of their choosing

@alt_ccc @davidk368430332 @knish_of_death By that logic your average Palestinian is equivalent to Nazi Germany

@Etch_Aic @davidk368430332 @knish_of_death Ok forget anything we’ve discussed over the rest of the week. What do you think the Hilltop Youth people would do if you gave them control of the Israeli state? It’s definitely a fair moral comparison.

@davidk368430332 @knish_of_death @alt_ccc Yeah. Hezbollah was massively hyped up for so long and the Netanyahu just shredded them. Also comparing Hilltop Youth to Hezbollah is like comparing a street gang to the SS.

@shapiromentum Fwiw Bibi the Econ minister was goated. But his recent governments, not so much.

In Israel, are Likud voters or voters for the opposition more left-leaning on economics?

@davidk368430332 @Etch_Aic @knish_of_death How the community views the 11 people

@alt_ccc @Etch_Aic @knish_of_death Yucky.

@davidk368430332 @Etch_Aic @knish_of_death You see, going back to the very original point of a couple days ago…what conclusion am I to form from the fact that the public does not demand to just kick these people out?

@alt_ccc @Etch_Aic @knish_of_death They were shouting about how the IDF was Hamas back when the current gov made a nominal attempt to pretend to restrain them.

@davidk368430332 @Etch_Aic @knish_of_death Yeah ik, they’re so deranged they often get into fights *with the IDF*

@alt_ccc @Etch_Aic @knish_of_death I’m using Yitzhar cause it’s infamously extreme even among the settlements.

@davidk368430332 @Etch_Aic @knish_of_death In the settlements specifically they actually do often vote ~80% Gvir lol

@Etch_Aic @alt_ccc @knish_of_death Wow, I’m convinced now. the lovely residents of Yitzhar are motivated by rationality and purely security related concerns. Thank you for enlightening me.

@Etch_Aic @davidk368430332 @knish_of_death Didn’t sound too harsh to me, sounded like walking on eggshells

@alt_ccc @davidk368430332 @knish_of_death What poll? And you commented on a top-tier Israeli politician who harshly condemned settler violence

@Etch_Aic @davidk368430332 @knish_of_death He was a settler

@alt_ccc @davidk368430332 @knish_of_death His statements to both audiences were the same despite your false claim otherwise (which you haven’t addressed), and defending settlers existing while harshly condemning settler violence is in no way shape or form anything resembling love for Goldstein

@Etch_Aic @knish_of_death @davidk368430332 Civilian settlements are wholly against security but they do kill Arabs

@alt_ccc @knish_of_death @davidk368430332 Giving Palestinians a state they could commit genocide with isn’t loving their kids. The Israeli shift was rational.

@Etch_Aic @davidk368430332 @knish_of_death The polls on what they want to do and the fact their opposition leaders are terrified to explicitly oppose Kahanist ideology

@alt_ccc @davidk368430332 @knish_of_death Well I provided a piece of evidence suggesting Israelis aren’t pro-Goldstein. What is your evidence that they are?

@Etch_Aic @davidk368430332 @knish_of_death Well he defended settlements in the same statement and importantly he needs to talk to both a domestic and an international audience

@alt_ccc @davidk368430332 @knish_of_death The main opposition figure did but you then declared he didn’t say what he did

@knish_of_death @davidk368430332 @Etch_Aic Maybe Israelis (as well as Palestinians) should try loving their kids for a change

@davidk368430332 @Etch_Aic @alt_ccc There's a reason for that. I've never seen people talk about another group of people in such an entitled way as you lot talk about Israelis.

@Etch_Aic @davidk368430332 @knish_of_death Because they’re incompetent. I’ve discussed the evidence in the past two days so no need to belabor this point

@alt_ccc @davidk368430332 @knish_of_death Do you have evidence yourself? You made the claim. And why does Otzma Yehudit get so few votes if Israelis love Goldstein?