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Andrew Murch

@amurch

Follower of Jesus, Husband, Father, Lead Pastor @nwgospel @tobethechurch @GordonConwell ‘06 @WesternSeminary ‘23

Vancouver, WA Katılım Mart 2009
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Andrew Murch
Andrew Murch@amurch·
@chadafrancis If “teaching + authority” doesn't at least apply to the pulpit, where does it apply? Tomorrow’s egalitarianism are today's “complementarians” who have women in the pulpit. If the motive is ‘not losing ppl’ we’re already taking our cue from the wrong place. The text is clear.
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Chad Francis
Chad Francis@chadafrancis·
@amurch For the record, I don’t think 1 Tim 3 is nebulous at all. I am still a happy complementarian. I just think drawing hard lines around obscure passages (authentein? What abt female prophetesses in the church? What about Priscilla teaching Apollos? etc) is a great way to lose ppl.
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Chad Francis
Chad Francis@chadafrancis·
Here’s a fun exercise: at what age does it become biblically forbidden for a woman to teach a male? Make sure to not be “arbitrary” in your answer. 🙃 (Also make sure to account for Acts 18:24-26.)
Melissa the Hopeful🏠Homemaker@BiblicalBeauty

Jonny Ardavanis responding to the question of whether a woman can teach from the pulpit of a church under the authority of her elders on a Sunday morning: "Well, listen, the Bible either says women can preach, or they cannot...I would just encourage people, you and I are not allowed to make arbitrary decisions and say, 'You know what, we think she can teach under our authority once a month.' A woman may be preaching under the authority of her elders, but she is most definitely not preaching under the authority of the New Testament, nor the Holy Spirit who wrote it... You may be asking, 'Would I leave a church that has a woman preaching, even if under the authority of her elders?' Yes, I would. Yes, I would. I would ask the elders to reconsider their position. I would present to them Scripture. And you may be asking, 'Why? What's the consequence of this?' Well, the consequence of this is just, it's disobedience. It's in the Bible. What's the consequence? Weak churches. And when men don't lead, churches die. And when churches break down, the culture breaks down, and you're watching this in our world today. Like in the garden, when you overthrow God's design for the family and for the church, there are disastrous consequences."

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Andrew Murch@amurch·
@chadafrancis Its not an obscure passage. That's an egalitarian argument, and has no backing in hist theology before the 1960s. Basic hermeneutics takes straight forward didactic passages over trying to discern implications from examples like Phoebe/Junia. Read Strauch ‘equal yet different’
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Andrew Murch@amurch·
@chadafrancis I'm trying to understand how you framed it. The original clip is taking 1 Tim 2 as the biblical prohibition against women in the Sunday pulpit. The idea would be that if we act like that text is nebulous we risk losing biblical fidelity.
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Chad Francis
Chad Francis@chadafrancis·
@amurch Sorry for the novel here. I shared all that to ask a Q: What do you think we lose by framing it as I have here (versus the way it’s framed in the original clip)? I can think of a lot we gain. But I may be missing the flip side.
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Andrew Murch@amurch·
@chadafrancis Applying the 1 Tim 2 prohibition to the Sunday pulpit is the minimalist position. Ppl certainly extend it to more than that. But I don't know how the prohibition can be rightly applied if its not *at least* applied to Sunday with the gathered body.
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Seth Troutt
Seth Troutt@Seth_Troutt·
This is insufferable. Why did the Nicene creed need to be written if the church already had the Apostles Creed? Which Nicene Creed? 325 or 381? Why? What about the Council of Ephesus? What about the Athanasian Creed? The Chalcedonian Creed? When new heresies are invented, new lines that clarify orthodoxy must be drawn in response.
Holy Post Media@HolyPost_Media

The label “heretic” gets thrown around way too easily these days. If you profess the Nicene Creed & the Apostles’ Creed, you count as a legitimate Christian. Period. Christians will always disagree about important political & social issues and matters of doctrine. But at the end of the day, if someone affirms the essential truths outlined in the creeds, they are not heretics or apostates. 🎙️Holy Post 670 with @philvischer@skyejethani & @kaitlynschiess

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Andrew Murch@amurch·
@MichelleDLesley Everyone who attends a church service is not necessarily a member. Paul presupposes that both “outsiders” and “unbelievers” will attend church gatherings. 1 Cor 14:23 for Josh, whose church has thousands who attend weekly, this story doesn't seem odd at all. They're reaching ppl
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Andrew Murch@amurch·
Preacher: when a text of Scripture confronts a hot issue (sexual ethics, money, role of men/women, hell) work at saying what the text says instead of wasting time qualifying “what its not saying.” In fact, don't qualify at all, just say what it says. Swallow your pride and preach
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Luke Simmons
Luke Simmons@lukedsimmons·
Biblical ministry identities determine biblical ministry priorities. (1 Cor 4:1-7) As a servant & steward: 1. Faithfulness is my highest aim (v. 2) 2. Future judgment is my deepest concern (v. 3-5) 3. Functional humility is my greatest impact (v. 6-7) - @ahbailie
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Erik Reed
Erik Reed@ErikReed·
Offended people often crave validation, not facts.
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Andrew Murch@amurch·
@AdamPage85 Those who are serious about shepherding do. It may not be common, but it’s possible.
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pagemasta@AdamPage85·
@amurch And mega churches HAVE that many pastors?
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pagemasta@AdamPage85·
I’d argue a church can get so big there’s no way every person in the congregation could follow the commands of James 5:14. An elder is not your small group leader.
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@AdamPage85 More Christians than you might expect are navigating toward churches holding to biblical sexual ethics. The result is those churches growing larger.
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It will be almost impossible for megachurches to move on with a firm, biblical complementarian view. The pastors and preachers of these churches know it. You are already starting to see them cave.
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I’m just here for the Collinsworth takes.
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Andrew Murch@amurch·
@ChrisDixonRich Nah. That’d be 7 million times worse. Initially thought the stadium thing would be a nightmare…I didn’t care once the game got here. Hawks got one in a good year to come out of the NFC. Full credit. NFCCG was the SB this year. D was great. Any given Sunday starts again in Sept.
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Christopher Rich
Christopher Rich@ChrisDixonRich·
@amurch Seahawks winning SB in 9ers stadium is almost as great as if UW won the National Championship Game…. in Eugene.
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Andrew Murch
Andrew Murch@amurch·
I’m genuinely happy Darnold. Easy guy to root for.
49ers & NFL News 24/7@49ersSportsTalk

Super Bowl Champion Seahawks QB Sam Darnold credits his career turnaround to his year with the #49ers — sitting behind Brock Purdy & learning from Kyle Shanahan. “It’s funny how it works. I didn’t play great football the first few years of my career, and then I came here to San Francisco, and I learned a ton. And I think because of that year in San Francisco, I was able to learn a ton. Learn from Brock and coach Shanahan.”

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