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@vincentrcrd let them fight bro, we have nothing at stake here. i has been a while since we got a worthy entertainment.

Emang masalahnya apa kalau Teddy itu memang gay? Ini mah si Amien Rais makin lama makin dungu aja. Bukannya kritik kebijakan malah ngurusin urusan pribadi orang lain.

@katunjepangg Ad hominem.

@bagus_muljadi I think some shades are darker than other. You argued that lpdp is still a net good and i think you are wrong.

@andy_pu12 nobody is saying nothing is wrong with they lpdp is run. some of us do not think in black and white

Sungguh menyedihkan melihat anak anak lulusan berprestasi, yang bercita cita besar, mungkin benar benar membawa sejuta mimpi untuk membawa kebaikan untuk Indonesia secara kolektif dipecundangi dan diolok olok seperti kriminal. Apa tujuan kalian sebenarnya? - bagi sebagian dari mereka LPDP adalah satu satunya jalan merealisasikan mimpinya. Dunia itu timpang. Akses tidak pernah setara, ilmu itu mahal sekali. LPDP adalah daya ungkit agar mereka bisa berdiri sejajar dengan yang sejak awal lebih beruntung. Saya sendiri hanya bisa bermimpi untuk dapat beasiswa seperti LPDP, tidak pernah kesampaian; back then I would have given a finger to get one. Tentu penyalahgunaan itu ada. Tentu ada orang orang yang tengil yang pantas mendapat penalti. Kita harus menuntut perbaikan signifikan. But must we burn our own children at the stake? Have we no heart left as a nation? Is it really that funny?

@bagus_muljadi @ZakarmuAkbar My point is that this is a waste of tax payer money. Just because there are way wastful program doesn't mean it not wasteful.

@andy_pu12 @ZakarmuAkbar bisa buat ngasih makan gratis juga.. whats your point

@gitaputrid Victim card strategy. Boring.

LPDP witch hunt dasarnya adalah perburuan warga oleh warga yang basis konsepnya tidak berbeda dengan FPI menghancurkan restoran di bulan Romadon (kelompok orang yang dituduh melanggar norma agama) dan pembantaian '65 (kelompok orang yang dituduh terafiliasi dengan gerakan makar).

@bagus_muljadi Just because something is not controversial doesn't mean its not wrong. And thankfully It has become very controversial. Dont strawman the conversations by calling it sending kids to study.

@andy_pu12 Of all the ways tax money is used, sending our children to study is the least controversial one. Dont act like youve been robed.

@bagus_muljadi @ZakarmuAkbar false dichotomy. 1-2 M itu bisa buat ukt 1 fakultas.

@ZakarmuAkbar Anda ngasih 1-2m untuk anak baru lulus minta impact apa? 1-2m dipakai pemda buat seminar habis

@bagus_muljadi @DeGlamorous88 even if we accept your assertion on "phd is just a baby". still you cant deny that the way it currently set up is very prone to abuse and has not deliver an acceptable return.

@andy_pu12 @DeGlamorous88 What you can ensure is the return of an unripe researcher with zero contribution. sometimes its not about the risk of doing it; it’s also the risk of not doing it.

When you use the phrase “mengabdi untuk negara,” you are romanticising scholarship. Mengabdi is a morally charged word. It makes a scholarship sound like an act of "kindness" from the country: something that, in return, demands moral obligation i.e., submission (mengabdi). But what does that actually mean? If by “country” you mean the government, whose money is it spending? If you mean “the people,” did they directly choose to offer this generosity? In either case, calling it kindness is problematic. You are not “kind” when you spend other people’s money. And it is not “kindness” if those whose money is used have no direct say in how it is used. A scholarship is not charity. It is public investment, funded by taxpayers, justified by expected returns, and managed through policy, not emotion. If it is an investment, then the real question is simple: which approach delivers the best return? My argument is straightforward: forcing scholars to return immediately does not maximise value for money. The best slogan for LPDP is "Menjadi yang terbaik"

@bagus_muljadi @DeGlamorous88 how do we ensure their "return"? their scholarship it to expensive for a "maybe".

@DeGlamorous88 @andy_pu12 A returning faculty member diaspora will be able to setup a lab of their own, win grants, bring network, and bring international students with them. Each of these can be quantified in exact dollar contributions tho varies.

@bagus_muljadi i am not against cancelling LPDP altogether if we are unwilling to enforce the contract and unable to justify this massive investment.

@andy_pu12 cancelling LPDP altogether will certainly eliminate bad actor - what is your point.

@bagus_muljadi @DeGlamorous88 forgive my ignorance. That is sounds like a bad investment. I we cant use them, why fund them?

yang pasti mereka yang stay untuk alasan yang benar, misalnya mendalami riset sebagai postdoc/spesialis memperbesar kemungkinan untuk berkontribusi lebih banyak. A fresh phd graduate is a baby - cannot set their own research agenda, let alone developing Indonesia research ecosystem. This is obvious to those in academia

@_mizuhashi @fortisfortuna_9 @bagus_muljadi @LPDP_RI Gak ada yang masalahin dunia riset bang. Mereka masalahin duit pajak mereka.

@andy_pu12 @fortisfortuna_9 @bagus_muljadi @LPDP_RI Lu bayangin cape2 diskusi tapi point of view ga setara. Ngomongin riset2 tapi ga tau dunia riset tuh kyk gmna.

banyak sekali miskonsepsi akan alumni LPDP, seakan akan lulusan S2 atau bahkan S3 UK/US/ manapun itu manusia sakti yang bisa berkontribusi “langsung” kepada bangsa. Dalam dunia akademik, overwhelming majority of lulusan PhD itu hanyalah seorang bayi yang masih menyusu; belum pernah membuktikan diri sebagai periset independen. They are nobody without the incubator. “Pulanglah, berbakti bangun negeri” - by doing what exactly?? An experimental physicist cant work without a synchrotron; NMR etc. Perlu dimengerti bahwa standard global research is extremely high; Indonesian institutions must compete with groups that have multiple postdoctoral experiences from all around the world. Most Indonesian researchers even in ITB/UI/UGM never even secured a postdoc positions! they came back straightaway after PhD! Mereka adalah korban romantisasi kebijakan dan narasi emosional; seakan akan negara itu seorang Ibu yang sekarat menjual seluruh hartanya untuk membiayai anak yang durhaka. this “Ratu Adil” syndrome/narrative membuat kita benci akan sesama, curiga akan mereka yang mendapat kesempatan untuk mengkultivasi dirinya. Sejak kapan kita menjadi bangsa yang penuh dendam akan sesama? To those who get the opportunity to be sent abroad - help if you can; or otherwise, SHUT UP! - you’re nobody yet.

@BeBuzzerNKRI Leeches on society.

Dia penerima LPDP. Suami penerima LPDP. Mertua ASN bahkan jd petinggi di Kementerian. Suami dr mulai lahir sampai S3 hidup dr uang gaji & fasilitas yg diberikan negara kpd bapaknya dan diberikan negara kpdnya. Tp stlh punya anak, dia sbg istri benci sm negaranya. Hidupnya norak.

@bagus_muljadi @lilylallali @rexlupusidiom I am arguing to enforce the contract and even make them have stay longer.

@andy_pu12 @lilylallali @rexlupusidiom of course it doesnt. what is the point here; no one is arguing for breaching any contract

@bagus_muljadi @rexlupusidiom We should tie them down as soon as they graduate. It will disincentivized them from choosing useless major. live here, create jobs, pay taxes. If you want to leave, do it on your on dime.

@andy_pu12 @rexlupusidiom you are already boosting someone’s GDP by paying tuition fees. Should we scrap everything?

@anakodok2009 @Ikhwan_17 @bagus_muljadi call it what you will. those are tax money. and we have spent them on traitors.

@Ikhwan_17 @bagus_muljadi Guwe liat faktor iri-dengki dr kebanyakan org yg meributkan lpdp ini

@bagus_muljadi @lilylallali @rexlupusidiom ignorance does not shield you from consequences.

@lilylallali @rexlupusidiom “what do you know as a 20 yr old” itu kepada aplikannya bukan orang yang saya ajak ngomong. If youre an applicant of lpdp, what do you know as a fresh graduate? itu sarkas

@bagus_muljadi @rexlupusidiom Using them to boost someone else GDP is not "the best way possible"

@andy_pu12 @rexlupusidiom good, you’d want that to be used the best way possible. That’s what Im arguing