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@andyyy

founder @therollupco

Katılım Ekim 2018
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Andy@andyyy·
Just met with a digital assets lead of a Tier 1 bank in NYC, here's the top takeaways. 1. They are "all-in" on stablecoins for payments and wanting to build fintech applications on crypto rails. Its a very clear usecase and easy sales pitch to most of their divisions internally and the value prop is easy to see: 24/7 global payments for a fraction of the cost of a wire transfer. Easy. 2. They are not thinking about perps and Hyperliquid. Not one bit. Perps and trading onchain is something that they understand is coming, specifically 24/7 markets, but when I brought up Hyperliquid, Lighter, Variational, was not really in their scope. 3. They are however interested in tokenization and see it as a credible threat to their business as it stands. 4. CLARITY worries them, and they are just *now* taking stablecoins seriously. Why? Well, of course, because the worry of losing customer deposits. 5. They are actively investing serious amounts of capital into fintech teams and neobanks, albeit they are very early and still trying to figure it all out.
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Zach Rynes | CLG@ChainLinkGod·
Chainlink will likely generate more fee revenue from its position as the official data and cross-chain oracle for Robinhood Chain than Ethereum will generate in settlement and DA fees from the L2 Each official tokenized equity/ETF price feed on Robinhood Chain is a Chainlink SVR deployment, which is an oracle MEV recapture service that has generated $23M+ in total revenue to date (split ~65% to DeFi apps and ~35% to Chainlink) As Robinhood's tokenized equity/ETF tokens are increasingly adopted within DeFi lending markets (the future primary PMF of Robinhood chain), this revenue opportunity will expand proportionally to TVL growth Chainlink SVR is already the standard price oracle solution for lending markets on Ethereum and most L2s, incl Base, making this expansion to Robinhood Chain a natural evolution (most SVR revenue to date is Aave V3 on Ethereum, but this is increasingly diversifying across markets and chains) Also worth noting, Robinhood Chain's tokenized equity/RWA markets will likely be mostly denominated in stablecoins (Robinhood seems to prefer USDG), while gas payments will be abstracted away from the end-user (already being sponsored today), thereby abstracting away the use of ETH as money In my opinion, Ethereum should provide more valuable services to L2s, beyond settlement and data availability, that are worth paying more than effective a 0.15% rev-share And/or the Ethereum ecosystem (@ethlabs_org ?) should negotiate a rev-share deal directly with Robinhood like Arbitrum did, and like other chains/middleware do (like Chainlink does with lending markets for SVR feed usage)
Lorenzo Valente@LorenzoARK

The Robinhood Chain is the cleanest case study of what happened to ETH's economics over time. Since inception, @RobinhoodApp Chain has grossed ~$816K in revenue. @Arbitrum, the middleware provider, takes 10%: ~$80K. Arbitrum then pays Ethereum for settlement: $1,538. The margin profile roughly: Robinhood: 89% Arbitrum: 10% Ethereum: 0.15% If your thesis is "ETH is money," Robinhood building here is ultra bullish. More activity, more ETH collateral, more lindyness. If your thesis is "ETH is a revenue generating asset," this is the ultra-bear case. And here's the uncomfortable truth: Robinhood was never going to build on Solana, Sui or any monolithic L1. They want the stack customization. They want to be landlords, not renters. Ethereum won this deal on merit. It's just not pricing it right. A healthy split to me looks more like: Robinhood: 75% Arbitrum: 10% Ethereum: 15% Ethereum sells the most valuable settlement layer in crypto at marginal cost. Things need to change. @ethlabs_org

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Altcoin Sherpa@AltcoinSherpa·
cant wait for this move to get retraced within a few hours
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Andy@andyyy·
Kevin Warsh is dialed in, dovish, and will not raise rates following that low CPI print. Crypto goes higher from here…and highly likely the same leaders who’ve outperformed up till now will continue. Holding the line.
threadguy@notthreadguy

that's my fucking fed chair man

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Value@valueandtime·
If Cashcat fails, the S&P 500 will collapse.
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Base@0xBaseee·
@andyyy Just farm variational points, it’s still fairly easy to do so. APIs are not live yet, so you are only competing against manual traders. Cost per point is around $5, so ROI is still insane.
Base@0xBaseee

Why @variational_io points will be worth $100 — full thesis. Before we start, bookmark this so you don't lose it later. Let's do the math first: Points distribution runs until end of Q3, per the docs. That means ~9M points at TGE. I expect a 25-30% genesis drop. Why? The team has repeatedly praised how well Hyperliquid rewarded its community, and with 50% of total $VAR supply reserved for community rewards, dropping less than Lighter (25%) wouldn't make sense if Variational wants to be the first real Hyperliquid competitor long-term. So, to hit $100 per point at launch, $VAR needs a $900M market cap — or $3-3.5B FDV. Why do I think that's achievable? Let's compare it to a direct competitor: $LIT, trading at $2.5B FDV. Variational already beats it on both core metrics: → Open interest: $1.26B vs. $880M → Net revenue: $1.27M vs. $860K (bi-weekly) That's 40%+ better than Lighter — on both fronts. And here's the thing: APIs aren't even live yet. No bots, no market makers, no quants. Just manual traders. Variational is still in private beta (invite-only) and months away from TGE. Phase 2 & 3 of RWAs haven't even launched — thousands of new RWAs and drastically reduced slippage are still ahead. So there are still countless catalysts left that could significantly grow current metrics before TGE even happens. But let's stay conservative. Even if $VAR launched today, its metrics alone justify a $3.5B FDV — 40% higher than $LIT's $2.5B valuation, matching how much Variational outperforms Lighter in open interest and net revenue. That would value $VAR at ~5% of $HYPE. For perspective: when $LIT launched last year, it was worth 10% of $HYPE. That means: → The whole perp dex sector is growing fast. → $VAR wouldn't be overvalued at $3.5B. $100 per point doesn't sound so crazy anymore, right? And I don't think it stops there. Sure, it could dip or consolidate post-TGE like most airdrops do. But that doesn't change the long-term picture. Variational is taking on-chain RWAs to a new level. Instead of building a new orderbook and bootstrapping liquidity per RWA market (like CLOB DEXs such as Hyperliquid), Variational plugs directly into existing TradFi liquidity. TradFi has spent decades building deep orderbooks. Why compete with that when you can tap into it instead? This lets Variational skip the costly market-maker incentive game — and scale to list far more RWA markets, way faster. TradFi liquidity isn't even live yet (coming soon in Phase 2). And already, 25% of current open interest comes from RWAs alone. That ratio only grows once TradFi liquidity gets injected and thousands of new RWA markets go live — positioning Variational as the venue for price discovery on weekends, off-hours, holidays, and beyond. Variational was never a cheap Hyperliquid clone. It's actually the first real competitor to Hyperliquid for RWA market share — with a model that scales better. And the team is more than stacked to execute on this vision. @variational_lvs, CEO of Variational, studied mathematics at a top US university — at age 12. He moved to Columbia at 18, worked at Google and Goldman Sachs, then co-founded quant trading firm Qu Capital in 2017 with @edward_yu_var (co-founder of Variational). Beyond the founders, the team brings experience from Google, Meta, Virtu, IMC, and Jane Street. A product is only as good as its team — and Variational is stacked on both ends. If this doesn't have you FOMOing into points, you must hate money. ~10 weeks left until points distribution ends. APIs aren't live yet. Use this opportunity to stack as many points as you can. You'll regret not acting on this in a few months. An invite code is required to access the private beta — so you might as well use the one with the best perks. Code OMNIBASESOL gives you the highest available points boost (15% instead of the usual 12%): omni.variational.io/?ref=OMNIBASES…

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Andy@andyyy·
The perps market will 10x in the coming years. Its clear who the investable winners are right now. hyperliquid:native ethereum:0x232ce3bd40fcd6f80f3d55a522d03f25df784ee2
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jords@jords·
my plan is to be much richer next year by not losing all my money trying to get rich tomorrow
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The Rollup
The Rollup@therollupco·
The best of yesterday's show in under 42 minutes: 00:09 Intro 01:56 Andy's Reaction To Markets 04:18 Andy On Saylor's Strategy 10:56 Andy's Take On War News 12:13 Introduction Of Guest Michael Terpin 12:39 Michael Terpin On BTC Market 15:52 Andy & Rob On The Prediction Market Cycle 25:46 Daily Equity Tweet 32:06 Andy & Rob React To The Market 40:28 Closing Out
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kain@kain·
Holy shit, welcome back to CT.
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Andy@andyyy·
@saintniko Lol just saw this on the TL and grabbed it BullH
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niko@saintniko·
@andyyy yes defi llama has rh at ~4b in all time dex volume (accounting for filtering) but some people are committed to downplaying their impact this is incredibly great for ethereum
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Andy@andyyy·
Robinhood chain launch has been incredibly successful. This is very bullish for Ethereum.
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Andy@andyyy·
From a fundamentals first POV, ethereum:0x643c4e15d7d62ad0abec4a9bd4b001aa3ef52d66 is highly underlooked and underappreciated. Think it will be one of the bull market darlings as things turn around and institutional demand kicks in for onchain primitives. Me likey.
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Kaloyan Mitev@KaloyanMitev00·
@andyyy "Number go up" isn't the cure for the reputation problem, it's the cause. Every pump brings in people who leave with a bad story.
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Andy@andyyy·
Crypto's reputation is still really really bad and frankly only number go up and time can help that. Somehow, every bear market, we get the chance to be early again. I remain optimistic, long-term oriented, and bullish.
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flip@trevor_flipper·
i also think until the last few years we haven’t had the most high integrity teams being the face of the industry and now we have the more high quality individuals/teams as the face of the industry. now that expectations are at a much higher standard we can really start improving our reputation
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Andy@andyyy·
@x256xx How can you buy variations
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x256.hl@x256xx·
@andyyy You didn’t mention the one above lit that is better and you can buy it for 10x lower price than lit
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Andy@andyyy·
On the market: We're just in this weird transitory phase right now where we might get another dump, we may not, and we know we have some time to kill before the real bull market starts. The leaders of the initial phase of the bull run have already been shown, imo, and will continue to have outperformance as the tides slowly start to come in. For those who are true believers and are navigating these conditions, its clear that were not quite in the PvE easy mode yet, but there's pockets of really quality gains. We'll look back at these prices in Q1 of next year with gratitude that we were here for it and had the chance to bid. I'm taking the risk and putting it on the line in the coming months as I have been.
The Rollup@therollupco

The bear looks like it's ending. So why doesn't it feel like the bull is starting? @andyyy says the market is stuck in the gap between the bear ending and the bull beginning: what he calls the transitory phase. "It's this time-based capitulation where you get a lot of sideways action and a lot of chop."

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