@The_Davos_Man Jews were the second largest minority in the Baltic states deported to Siberia by Stalin in 1941.
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The guy who called Jews a "Demonic Ethnicity" thinks he can call all Estonians "savages without sentience" because of the Holocaust.
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The holocaust in Estonia was so complete and the collaboration with the Nazis so enthusiastic that the entire Jewish population was exterminated. German-occupied Estonia was declared 'judenfrei' in December 1941. Suspicious an Austrian is so mad about me remarking on this fact.
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@The_Davos_Man @Asclepiusssssss Marx is not as bad as those who read him.
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@Asclepiusssssss Many Marxists reject the entire field of political science. Because they see their theory is the only valid science of history.
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@Sovietpizza2 Ты под корягой там живёшь, что ли? Мы уже взяли Белоруссию и Грузию, сейчас вот Украину захватываем.
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Ahora qué los rusos nos leen, ¿a qué cojones esperáis para restaurar la URSS?
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@arcticFox5000 @ArsonS43430 @comrade_pabs @Chemreac1 So they shouldn't be compared but also they're basically the same?
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This is literally what half of Soviet 'history' writing is like: describing something objectively good but in an ominous and condescending tone
Kraut@The_Davos_Man
In communist countries, because they couldn't afford to make disposable bottles, they used to have these vending machines where you had to bring your own bottle and get it filled with Soda.
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@Talasoomi @ArsonS43430 @comrade_pabs @Chemreac1 Read one meore time -Crimes should not be compared.
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@arcticFox5000 @ArsonS43430 @comrade_pabs @Chemreac1 The Holocaust was a "tragedy" and the Soviet occupation was a "crime". This is exactly what I'm talking about
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@Talasoomi @ArsonS43430 @comrade_pabs @Chemreac1 They both were terrible and oppressive regimes. And there is no justification for their crimes.
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@arcticFox5000 @ArsonS43430 @comrade_pabs @Chemreac1 Absolutely, it was a brutal and bloody form of social engineering and the people responsible for it ought to have died painfully. It also clearly didn't achieve their desired goals. I'm not denying that, I'm simply pointing out the qualitative difference between it and the Nazis
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@Talasoomi @ArsonS43430 @comrade_pabs @Chemreac1 The Holocaust is a massive tragedy and it should never have happened. Crimes should not be compared. I live in a small country, forgive me if the numbers don’t impress you. Furthermore, the deportations were not the only Soviet crime.
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@arcticFox5000 @ArsonS43430 @comrade_pabs @Chemreac1 Surely you can see how from the outside, making an equivalence between 50,000 people getting forced from their homes and 90% of the country's Jewish population getting turned into ash sounds insane and disingenuous
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@Talasoomi @ArsonS43430 @comrade_pabs @Chemreac1 One crime doesn't justify another. And you have nothing left to say to justify the Soviets.
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@arcticFox5000 @ArsonS43430 @comrade_pabs @Chemreac1 British and French treatment of their colonies during the same time period made the Soviets look like humanitarians by comparison. India didn't commit the Holocaust in response. It's not an excuse.
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@Talasoomi @ArsonS43430 @comrade_pabs @Chemreac1 I wish you luck in this, but don't deny soviet crimes
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@arcticFox5000 @ArsonS43430 @comrade_pabs @Chemreac1 Frankly, Soviet atrocities in Latvia have more in common with US atrocities in Iraq than with the Nazis. And for the record, I am a person who would like to see large portions of the US government prosecuted for war crimes in a Nuremberg style tribunal and appropriately punished
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@arcticFox5000 @ArsonS43430 @comrade_pabs @Chemreac1 The Soviets deportations in Latvia had about 50,000 victims, 5,000 of whom died as a result. Some of the victims were random people and others were insurgents who we would today call terrorists. This is bad! Trying to use it to justify Nazism is Holocaust denial.
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@Talasoomi @ArsonS43430 @comrade_pabs @Chemreac1 I posted this to show Soviet crimes. The reasons did not differ, whether were Latvians or Cossacks. It was a tactic to destroy entire nations. In Latvia, deportations took place in 1941 and 1949. As I said, in 1941, there were no Nazis and no Legion here only a peaceful land.
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@arcticFox5000 @ArsonS43430 @comrade_pabs @Chemreac1 My claim is not "Stalin did nothing wrong", but nonetheless trying to imply that the deportation of the Cossacks was a crime against the Latvians is a really funny move and it is well established that Latvians vastly exaggerate what happener *in Latvia* to justify the Holocaust
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@Talasoomi @ArsonS43430 @comrade_pabs @Chemreac1 That is not true. The crimes of the Soviet regime are documented in thousands upon thousands of victim testimonies.
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@arcticFox5000 @ArsonS43430 @comrade_pabs @Chemreac1 Furthermore, Soviet atrocities have been exaggerated by a coalition of nazis, Eastern European nationalists, and anti-communist ideologues to create a narrative of moral equality between the Soviets and their opponents in the war
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@Talasoomi @ArsonS43430 @comrade_pabs @Chemreac1 Tell me, how are all those people Nazi war criminals? How does a newborn baby become a Nazi criminal? By the way, there are people who celebrate this with parades. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populatio…
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@arcticFox5000 @ArsonS43430 @comrade_pabs @Chemreac1 Soviet wartime atrocities were an unfortunate reality of the brutality of WWII, individual soldiers should have been and often were punished. Postwar "atrocities" were mostly actually the punishment of Nazi war criminals.
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@Talasoomi @ArsonS43430 @comrade_pabs @Chemreac1 You should consider how it sounds when you try to say that deporting women and children was "defeating Nazis." The Soviets came to Latvia first. There were no Nazis, no Legion-only a peaceful land. But somehow, they are still heroes.
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@arcticFox5000 @ArsonS43430 @comrade_pabs @Chemreac1 You should consider how it sounds to an outsider that you have a well rehearsed line about how Latvian Legion guarded the Nuremberg trials ready to go when someone brings them up
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@Talasoomi @ArsonS43430 @comrade_pabs @Chemreac1 From accountability for deporting women and children, for killing without trial like those in the Katyn forest, from stealing and raping?
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@arcticFox5000 @ArsonS43430 @comrade_pabs @Chemreac1 Accountability for defeating the nazis you mean?
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@Talasoomi @ArsonS43430 @comrade_pabs @Chemreac1 Does that absolve Soviet soldiers of any accountability
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@arcticFox5000 @ArsonS43430 @comrade_pabs @Chemreac1 Because the other side was the Nazis and only Nazis think there's a moral equivalence between the two.
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@arcticFox5000 @ArsonS43430 @comrade_pabs @Chemreac1 You don't deny Latvian responsibility except for the part where all of the Latvians who participated are individually innocent, often including Arajs himself, and you hold a national parade for them, and indulge in the double genocide theory
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@Talasoomi @ArsonS43430 @comrade_pabs @Chemreac1 From this perspective, I can't understand how Soviet occupants became liberators and heroes.
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@arcticFox5000 @ArsonS43430 @comrade_pabs @Chemreac1 Large portions of the Waffen-SS were forcibly mobilized, somehow it only exonerates them when an Eastern European country wants to rehabilitate their national SS unit into simultaneously anti-communist heroes and hapless victims
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@arcticFox5000 @ArsonS43430 @comrade_pabs @Chemreac1 It's funny, I had a very similar conversation irl with a Polish guy I know, but if I got the two of you in the same room you'd be furious with each other for your different versions of the same lies
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