phil illy
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phil illy
@autogynephil
Autoheterosexual. If you're trans and reading this, you're likely AGP/AAP. Here I explain this most common kind of trans: https://t.co/SK8ITSwQIc
Katılım Mart 2020
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@datadriven_tdoc Is the gist of what you're saying that femaleness pertains to physical appearance whereas femininity pertains to the behavioral, psychological, and social?
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We need to separate femininity and femaleness as rhetorical concepts
It actually does a heavy lift for explaining how even non-effeminate trans women (and ciis women) are interpreted as women without being feminine
And why, by corollary, well medicalized trans women are not simply effeminate men, especially when they are not conforming to stereotypes of effeminacy
👩⚕️ Dr. Laura 👩⚕️@datadriven_tdoc
You interpret a person as being butch (and not a man) not because they are presenting femininity, but because they are presenting femaleness You pick up on the femaleness without you needing to do a cheek swab or a gonadal assessment, even when there is little femininity being expressed Similarly, if this same butch was natally male, you would still interpret her as an unfeminine female, (even though she was natally male) That is because you are picking up on femaleness
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James Morandini recently joined trans woman, Professor Laura Targownik and Yvette Nary on their podcast "Agree to Disagree About Gender" (Episode 8) for a long‑form conversation about autogynephilia. Link in reply.
00:00 — Episode framing + why this topic is so polarising
03:18 — AGP 101: definition, common misconceptions, the scientific concept of autogynephilia versus the pejorative lay-concept that scares TERFs and social conservatives and that trans activists and progressives "straw-man" to deny autogynephilia
06:46 — Orientation vs “paraphilia” vs “paraphilic disorder”: what these concepts mean
15:08 — Different life courses: cross‑dressing, shame/ego‑dystonicity, and thoughts about why some AGP folk develop dysphoria/transition desire
18:02 — Types of AGP (e.g., anatomic vs interpersonal vs behavioural/physiologic/transvestic) and why that may matter for one's gender trajectory
27:01 — From sexual orientation to transition: The role of social identity / psychological identity, gender dysphoria etc as mediators
55:17 — Autogynephilia theory does not imply that the proximal motivation to transition is immediate sexual gratification (separating the science of AGP from misconceptions/fallacies/"zombie ideas" about AGP)
1:02:22 — Clinical work with those who experience AGP, psychoeducation, informed consent, and how to discuss this respectfully/in a culturally competent manner.
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@gynemimesis If they identified as "gay", that could include gynephilic MTFs as well as androphilic MTFs, couldn't it?
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@autogynephil
Question: Why does it seem men with AGP are into aviation, trains, subways, light rail, cars, motorcycles, etc? Is this a proven thing or just anecdotes?
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@lockedoutofvenu @talibotz @Rohanburdened @profjmb There are different etiologies of homosexuality. Wu is a different kind than conventional gay men
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@autogynephil @talibotz @Rohanburdened @profjmb So gay men can date women and still be gay deep down inside but gay male trans women can't do the same?
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@lockedoutofvenu @talibotz @Rohanburdened @profjmb That "phase" ended when she learned about the typology and changed up her story so she wouldn't be categorized as AGP for being bisexual.
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@autogynephil @talibotz @Rohanburdened @profjmb Why do you refer to Brianna Wu as AGP? Wu used to be bi but says it was just as a phase. She says she has always been into men. Is that not gay?
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@QueerMajority @autogynephil It's a shame, isn't it? Men can no longer wear what they want because we will now assume they'll want to invade our private spaces & demand we pretend they're women.
You've killed non-conformity and provided the perfect cover for dangerous perverts.
Story after story @reduxx
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The fury over a “man in a dress” shows that the “gender-critical“ movement has become just another authoritarian cult. | @autogynephil
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@TTExulansic @grok When I asked for quantitative data, you could have just said you don't have any or don't want to provide it.
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I can give you the number 2 for how many sexes you need to be mentally cognizant of to be a male who wishes he were female.
Some people do not develop a capacity to conceptualize themselves. A developed capacity to self-conceptualize is a necessary pre-requisite to coming to the conclusion that you are not what you want to be. That's why the term getting your egg cracked exists. That's why your egg cracked from substance use that prompted new connections. It's because these ideas are not present at birth.
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@TTExulansic Any numbers, please anything. I can provide numbers that support the relevance of AGP to MTF transsexualism. Do you have something similar for this framework you're arguing in favor of
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@autogynephil For which aspect of any of these theories specifically?
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@TTExulansic @autogampegg Autogynephilia existed before humans invented plastics
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@autogampegg @autogynephil Personally i think it's the micro plastics
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@TTExulansic Please show me the data. I'm asking for numbers: charts, tables, etc
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There's immense data for these theories generally. While the sexual feedback loop of males imagining females and becoming aroused is evolved and innate, the elaborate schema system where a man concludes he wants to be or would prefer to be a woman is a level of functioning beyond what young children are mentally capable of. That's why taking the word of adults to justify medically transitioning children first by indoctrinating them into an ideology above their developmental capacity, which is what things like the gender unicorn and pronoun rituals do, is coercive and psychologically exploitive of children's inherent lack of psychological development as predicted by these various psychological theories (which are foundational to my field so I am applying them on a day to day basis to make clinical decisions for real children).
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@TTExulansic There were some males and females alike who pursued transition long before it was a fad. I don't deny that the modern social and technological environment is making more people transition, but it's obviously not just caused by social environment.
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@TTExulansic okay but where is the data for this other theory you are in favor of? There is data to support the AGP theory
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To put it another way, it's not so much that it is one or the other that is correct. It's that "autosexuality" as a theory relies on the idea that men with AGP have achieved a particular level of psychosocial development that allows them to conceptualize themselves as non women and to imagine themselves as instead women.
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@TTExulansic What is the best empirical data that supports this theory?
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@autogynephil I mean this theory actually predicts more than the singular thing autosexuality was ad-hoc'd to explain
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Meanwhile they both just have AGP (it’s highly heritable) & deal with it differently
Micah@micah_erfan
🚨 Elon’s trans daughter has just changed her bio to spite her father.
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