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@jpvanhoy @MartinTweats Your argument collapses all gods into one which makes no sense.

@MartinTweats Is it? Or is it just two different literary styles for two different audiences?

The god of islam is not a father, the God of the Bible is a Father. That's two different ontological identities, i.e., they are not the same God.

@ahmeditti90 @joe4ever111 @ZugoRoberts7677 @IslamicSH_ There isn’t any similarity because the stories from the Talmud are made up. The Quran copies the Talmud.

@benjaminay2 @joe4ever111 @ZugoRoberts7677 @IslamicSH_ يا احمق اليهود والمسحين لديهم التوراة والإنجيل وهي كلام الله أيضًا ولكنها حُرفت من القساوسة والرهبان والملوك النصارك والقران كذلك كلام الله لذلك بينهم تشابه في القصص وكل شيء لانها جميع الثلاثة الكتب من اله واحد ولكن القران الكتاب الوحيد الذي لم يُحرف منه ولا حرف

In Christianity, the first public miracle of Jesus is turning water into wine at a wedding. In Islam, the first miracle of Jesus is speaking from the cradle to defend the honor of his mother Maryam against slander. A far more noble beginning.

@joe4ever111 @ZugoRoberts7677 @ahmeditti90 @IslamicSH_ The Quran was written by someone in the Middle East who was hearing Jews and christians narrating stories. That’s why it’s filled with stories from the Talmud.

@benjaminay2 @ZugoRoberts7677 @ahmeditti90 @IslamicSH_ فعلا أنت أحمق لأن صاحبك يقول النبي محمد نقلها فكيف ينقلها ولا لا يقرأ ولا يكتب واما الصحابة فكونهم يكتبون فنحن لا ندعي أنه يوحى إليهم لذلك أنت تريد إقامة حجة علي ولكنك جاهل جدا وحجتك غبية كذلك

@joe4ever111 @ZugoRoberts7677 @ahmeditti90 @IslamicSH_ So who is the idiot now?🤣🤣 If he couldn’t read and write, certainly his companions could read and write.

@benjaminay2 @ZugoRoberts7677 @ahmeditti90 @IslamicSH_ الصحابة

@ahmeditti90 @IslamicSH_ The author of the Quran is someone who was living in the desert in the Middle East. There is no way God can produce something as unintelligent as the Quran.

@benjaminay2 @IslamicSH_ مؤلف القران هل انت أحمق 🤣؟ لا يوجد مؤلف للقران القران هو كلام الله الخالص وجبريل نقله لنبينا محمد

@joe4ever111 @ZugoRoberts7677 @ahmeditti90 @IslamicSH_ So who wrote down the Quran you’re using now then?

@ZugoRoberts7677 @ahmeditti90 @benjaminay2 @IslamicSH_ يا أحمق النبي محمد لم يكن يجيد القراءة والكتابة فكيف نقلها كما تدعي!!

@0786Anon @IjazTheTrini @enesovat22 Well you say He is Muslim just because He submitted to the allah of the Quran.

@benjaminay2 @IjazTheTrini @enesovat22 "A better parallel would be if we say Abraham practiced Christianity with church doctrines and rituals such as communion and others." we dont say Jesus was muslim in the sense he followed the exact rituals, rites, legislation prescribed in the quran tho, so thats disanalogous

You literally believe Abraham was a Trinitarian despite being 2000 years before Christ Jesus. @enesovat22, do you ever think before you post?

What’s the relevance here? If Catholics believe characters of old are Christians, that’s their own problem. The Bible nowhere makes that argument. Dispensational laws, traditions and practices differ amongst themselves and inserting characters from a different dispensation into another is just anachronistically fallacious.

@benjaminay2 @enesovat22 x.com/MisericordeF/s…

How can Jesus be a Muslim if Islam came 700 years after his death, burial and resurrection?

Yes We do admit that. The difference is that unlike Muslims, we don’t say the Bible is the verbatim uncreated speech of God. It was written by fallible humans and hence there is no Christian doctrine that says we have to hold to perfect preservation word for word and dot for dot Bible. So we hold a preservation of meaning and inspiration, that is God through His Spirit has been able to faithfully preserve the meaning and every other thing we ought to know through the abundant ancient manuscripts. “Salvation through Christ Jesus”

Both the Quran and the Bible have textual variations, but the Bible has far more documented changes across manuscripts and versions.

@MasterMaliq No single Bible passes through multiple translations. Every language the New Testament is translated into is translated directly from the Koine Greek. The original language in which they were written in. Your equating translation and version.

One reason the Quran has remained unique is because it is still preserved in its original Arabic language after centuries. Translations can explain the meaning, but the original text remains unchanged. Unlike the Bible and many ancient scriptures that passed through multiple languages and interpretations over time, the Quran is still recited today in the same language it was revealed in. That level of preservation is part of why many Muslims see it as extraordinary.

@hockeyguy199229 It’s actually the reverse dude. The author of the Quran is hearing these stories from the Jews and Christians and he’s inserting them into the Quran thinking they’re authentic stories.

Here is a beautiful example of the Qu’rān intertexting with and preserving an ancient Aramaic translation of the Bible: The Bible mentions that Yahweh is the “God of the Hebrews” during the story of Moses, but Targum Jonathan has a different saying that corresponds to Sūrah Al-Qaṣaṣ instead!

Your fault here is you presuppose that there are 4 gospels. There is actually only one gospel. The gospel of Jesus Christ. Matthew Mark Luke and John are independent testimonies of that one gospel. It’s like having multiple media houses cover an accident that happened. Each media house is separate and may give their own independent accounts, and yet still there was only one accident. So saying the Quran uses the term injil in a unitary sense is actually in line with what the bible says about there being only one gospel. In fact the Quran also calls both Jews and Chrsitians People of the “book”. Why doesn’t it say people of the books, even though it admits the Torah is different from the Injil? The Quran nowhere presents itself as correcting previous scriptures themselves. The author of the Quran genuinely thinks the Torah and injil exists and are both preserved at the time. However the author thinks the Jews and Christians are rather misinterpreting and misreading them. Quran 4:47 says the scripture is with them. Hence what we can infer from all of this is that it appears the author of the Quran never read the Torah and injil but strangely genuinely thinks whatever is in the Quran agrees with what’s in those scriptures. That’s why it’s a dilemma. You can’t keep pointing Jews and christians to a book unless you think that book is authoritative and preserved. And if those books are authoritative and preserved but the Quran contradicts what’s in those books, then the Quran must be the one at fault here. Since all of the Qurans criticisms actually point to the people themselves and how they read or interpret the books and not necessarily the scriptures themselves.

As a historical-critical reading of the Qur’an’s own rhetoric, the argument called the “Islamic dilemma” oversimplifies the Qur’an’s relationship to earlier scriptures because it treats the Qur’an as straightforwardly validating the...🧵

@_GhChronicles There are people taking bread with bel active.

But why would you take Vitamin C and Bread?

@AxadJimco @GodLogic_GL Just like Allah watched as his prophet died like a 🐀 just the way a false prophet would die?

@GodLogic_GL Unfortunately none of his 3 gods were able to save him and he wasn't muslim he was ahmadiyah

Even though it's almost been 10 years since Nabeel Qureshi went to be with Christ, I still can't stop hearing from Ex-Muslims who became Christian thanks to God using Nabeel to wake them up.

@SSultanj36379 @_Maverick143_ The same Islamic texts filled with Jewish rabbinic folklore? It’s only reliable in re telling rabbinic forgeries as true tales.

@_Maverick143_ Yes. Whether you believe in it or not we still do. The Islamic texts will remain more reliable than any Christian manuscripts and that is a fact

Not only is this laughably incorrect, but we're supposed to believe Muhammed got this correct 600 years later? And BTW who brought Muhammed that message? Gabriel? Don't make me laugh. The namus who came to Musa 🤣

@DonAre_Dot @CFCms3 He hasn’t shown he can even take control of an entire game. He isn’t a player whom even opposing teams need to double up in defending. It may be early days yet, but I see him to be a very ordinary player. Unless maybe Alonso turns him into a beast suddenly.

@benjaminay2 @CFCms3 I think most Chelsea fans have followed him since he was 16, and the glimpses we have seen, Scoring against us in the CWC and that Barca goal gives us massive confidence that he could be as good as we think he could be, we just need to look after him

A man can dream.

@DonAre_Dot @CFCms3 I’m not a very big fan of him tbf. He has never impressed me considering the hype fans gave to him. I’d rather we go for a more experienced RW.

@benjaminay2 @CFCms3 We have Estavao who could be integrated back from injury