john mccurley

@liron @teortaxesTex @DeenBot You acknowledge your confidence in the statement “Israeli soldiers have never murdered children” is because it’s not important enough to look into. I.e. you don’t can’t if Israeli soldiers murder children. Again, you’re a master of spreading antisemitism.

@boneseggsbones @teortaxesTex @DeenBot In an ongoing war, given the baseline knowledge that all wars have 1% of crazy unrepresentative incidents, I don’t expect much to depend on the details of this incident.

Sad thing about Jews is that they *are* clever; but they are so used to dealing with retards that they overestimate it. It's easy to see why Zionists resist anti-Zionism (duh). A switch to "Palestinianism" is an attempt to smuggle in "Zionism REQUIRES elimination of Palestine".

@liron @teortaxesTex @DeenBot "‘I didn’t look into the incident.’ There it is. The rationalist who admits he doesn't need data as long as he has hate to guide his implications. You are actively promoting antisemitism while debasing your Doom Debates brand.

@boneseggsbones @teortaxesTex @DeenBot I didn't look into the incident, I just repeated your word "murdered" carelessly. I will remind you that wars always have a % of war crimes, yet wars can be good.

@liron @teortaxesTex @DeenBot I commend the honesty of finally admitting Israeli soldiers murdered a child. That’s a major update from 'never happened'. Defending pre-crime ‘preemptive strikes on future ideologues’ generates people who hate Israel at a rate that guarantees a future you want to avoid.

@boneseggsbones @teortaxesTex @DeenBot The murdered child was on his way to being an adult I hate. I would rather the Egyptians let him escape away from a sick society at war but I don’t blame Israel for the fact that stone throwing is dangerous

@liron @teortaxesTex @DeenBot Right, ‘some of your best friends are Palestinian’. Did you hate the murdered child?

@boneseggsbones @teortaxesTex @DeenBot The vast majority of Palestinians are the ideologues I hate, get it? I don’t literally hate every Palestinian though, of course some tiny number are moral people.

@liron @teortaxesTex @DeenBot You’re backpedaling. You didn’t say 'ideologues'; you explicitly said, 'I hate Palestinians' and accused a child of committing suicide when he was murdered by an Israeli soldier.

@boneseggsbones @teortaxesTex @DeenBot Nope, I don’t hate a population for its existence - I hate ideologues for deeply holding an ideology that’s incompatible with my existence and sovereignty

It’s a failure for you and not a challenge for me. The distinction is simple: you hate a ‘regime’ for its actions, but you hate a ‘population’ for its existence. By refusing to make that distinction, you adopt the collective dehumanization that defined the Nazis. You aren't debating 'nuance'; you're just looking for a logical excuse to be a bigot—and this is how it looks to the world.

@boneseggsbones @teortaxesTex @DeenBot I’m happy to agree that Nazis also hated their enemy, and yet I still hate my enemy too. The challenge for you is to figure out when hate is appropriate, since I haven’t seen you make any kind of nuanced distinction on the topic of hate.

The only thing muddled is your reading comprehension. I didn't say Nazis called their victims 'Nazis'; I said they used the tactic of labeling a whole population an existential evil to justify hating them. You're pedantically dodging the core point: you have officially adopted the dehumanization framework of the very people you claim to despise.

@boneseggsbones @teortaxesTex @DeenBot Your argument starts getting muddled when you say Nazis compared their victims to Nazis

@liron @teortaxesTex @DeenBot Mocking the victim of a murder. How on-brand!

@liron @teortaxesTex @DeenBot ‘Israeli soldiers have never murdered children’ is a bold claim for a guy who was just shown the confirmation of a child killed for throwing stones and alleging it was a suicide

@liron @teortaxesTex @DeenBot It was your analogy jfc

@boneseggsbones @teortaxesTex @DeenBot You might want to be more specific about your analogy there. You’re welcome to argue with me about whether Palestinians are Nazi-like, but don’t be surprised that I hate people who are Nazi-like.

@liron @teortaxesTex @DeenBot What precise belief is it of yours that implies you hating all Palestinians and eschewing the moral culpability of Israeli soldiers murdering children again?

@boneseggsbones @teortaxesTex @DeenBot Whats the problem, you don’t get when hate is the emotional implication of someone’s beliefs?

@teortaxesTex @liron @DeenBot Somehow @liron self-identifies as NOT being one of the 5% of nuts while remaining a virulent racist representative of the median Israeli

@liron @DeenBot >10% of Israeli Jews are straight up settlers. 80% assign ≈0 importance to Arab civilian suffering. Etc. etc. Enough gaslighting, you're not a Western society in any sense. >25% of children are Haredi, so it'll get more obvious.

@CameronRuggles @liron This is where Liron swoops in and accuses you of not answering his question as though it were a rhetorical victory

@liron @boneseggsbones Why are you using grokpedia and not some direct source? It's a new and weird enough source that I dont consider it to reliable enough for this discussion - which, feels a lot like the point of why you shared it. To shift the debate. Surely we can just find the actual source

Many people who read my tweets still haven’t managed to learn the basic fact that the IDF has never targeted Palestinian civilians, and the number who died as collateral damage is the smallest figure imaginable, leaving no doubt that there must have been heroic measures taken.

@liron @CameronRuggles The ‘median Palestinian’ does not want to kill you, Liron, nor are they trying to. Again, speaking in the way you are only makes more people hate you or think you are insane.

@boneseggsbones @CameronRuggles Yep I hate the society that’s actively trying to kill me. But I’m not hateful - the few individuals there who don’t want to conquer sovereign Jewish Israel and aren’t helping their friends do so can still be chill with me.

The problem is that they are hateful, cruel, and deny moral culpability. You actively promote antisemitism by applying sound argumentation in one realm (doom debates, which, again, is great) and spouting off bad-faith arguments and literal hate to defend your preferred ethnocracy.

@boneseggsbones @CameronRuggles What’s the problem with these tweets?

@liron @CameronRuggles He’s just building his brand! It’s ok!

@CameronRuggles My brand & personality is to tweet about high stakes topics with simple important arguments* that otherwise smart people are shockingly wrong about. *In this case hardly arguments, more like simple questions of facts.

@liron @jacobcd52 @RabbiMivasair Psychotic level of cope. Your logic requires pretending the person holding the gun has zero agency. You’re just writing war crime fan fiction in your head.

@jacobcd52 @RabbiMivasair Killed causally downstream of Hamas laying a human shield trap and having the trap go off, yes. Killed by a bullet from an Israeli, no.

Translated from Hebrew: Are you okay that we live in a society where I can go to the supermarket right now, start putting tomatoes in a bag, and next to me in the cucumbers there'll be a guy who shot a 5-year-old to death? Or go to the bank and the person in front of me in line dropped a bomb on a building and killed everyone who lived in it? Or go to a clinic and be treated by a doctor who just came back from reserves in a torture camp? How can you live as if everything is normal? Israel must be stopped because it is not going to stop by itself.

When your goal is to affect policy on AI development and all you manage to do is promote antisemitism

Damn @JimBeam made some fine whiskey decanters