Scottish Extremist 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

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Scottish Extremist 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

@bonnyfechter

Verminous Scot. SNP member. In a cult, they say. Lady laird of my little Highland estate. Gael. Le èiginn ar n-èirigh às ar suain

Inbhir Garadh, Lochaber Katılım Ekim 2013

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Scottish Extremist 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿@bonnyfechter·5h

@fergustp @MingleDandy @msm_monitor You’re counting subsidies and constraint payments, but not the matching increase in generation, sales and exports. That’s why your conclusion is always “net cost”. If you think it’s a net loss, show the full system balance (costs and revenues), not just subsidies and constraints.

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Scottish Extremist 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿@bonnyfechter·5h

@fergustp @MingleDandy @msm_monitor You're pre-deciding the outcome, then selecting inputs to match it. You’re being selective. You’re fixing prices, costs and constraints at levels that suit your argument, and treating them as permanent.

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MSM Monitor@msm_monitor·5d

The first thing an independent Scotland would do would be de-coupling gas from electricity. At a stroke Scottish energy bills would fall. English reliance on gas to produce electricity is the main reason Scottish bills are high. Shanks knows this. He’s a House Jock.

Michael Shanks MP@mgshanks

He'll never tell you how independence would bring down our bills - because he knows its a lie. Independence would risk Scotland's energy security, block billions of investment and leave billpayers exposed to huge renewables projects currently supported across the UK.

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Scottish Extremist 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿@bonnyfechter·14h

@fergustp @MingleDandy @msm_monitor You're now just asserting projections as certainty and still locking everything into one direction (prices low, costs high) forever. Those are assumption, not proven outcomes. When generation increases, so will the amount we have available to sell. That's the bit you're ignoring

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Thomas Ferguson@fergustp·16h

@bonnyfechter @MingleDandy @msm_monitor Newer contracts will be £100mwh by the time they come online they aren’t cheap they are way above wholesale, nope I’ve looked at the export side which doesn’t cover the cost. 2024 below & 2025 not a single day where CFD’s were cheaper, generation will increase so will subsidies

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Scottish Extremist 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿@bonnyfechter·17h

@fergustp @MingleDandy @msm_monitor The “fact” you’re referring to is that wholesale prices have often been below older CfD strike prices, but that doesn’t prove your point; prices change, newer contracts are cheaper, and you’re still only looking at the subsidy side while ignoring generation and export revenue.

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Thomas Ferguson@fergustp·1d

@bonnyfechter @MingleDandy @msm_monitor No I’m not I’m saying that it will sell at market however we also know that market is below CFD it’s a long running verifiable fact, currently CFD doesnt need to compete as it’s not exported however we will need to top up the difference. Who do you think would pay the CFD prices?

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Scottish Extremist 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿@bonnyfechter·1d

@fergustp @MingleDandy @msm_monitor You're now just inventing a different market model to make your claim work. You're assuming and asking us to believe Scotland would somehow be forced to sell below market and “top up” exports manually, which isn’t how electricity markets or CfDs work. It just isn't.

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Thomas Ferguson@fergustp·1d

@bonnyfechter @MingleDandy @msm_monitor Of course it holds, who do you expect to pay it? They’ll have to bid a real price to export now an we’ll top up the difference or pay the full price if they are underbid

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Scottish Extremist 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿@bonnyfechter·1d

@fergustp @MingleDandy @msm_monitor You’re still treating Scotland like an isolated system that only has costs. It generates a surplus and exports electricity into a wider market, so there’s revenue as well as support costs.That’s why your original claim of “Scotland pays the subsidies itself” doesn’t hold.

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Thomas Ferguson@fergustp·1d

@bonnyfechter @MingleDandy @msm_monitor Of course it holds, the stuff in Scotland is our responsibility and we’d no longer subsidise the rest of the UK’s production, the rest of the system is in the same boat we’ll have one gas station the rest of production will be on a subsidy scheme

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Scottish Extremist 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿@bonnyfechter·1d

@fergustp @MingleDandy @msm_monitor We’re going in circles now; you’re focusing on subsidy costs and ignoring the rest of the system. I've answered your initial question.

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Scottish Extremist 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿@bonnyfechter·1d

@fergustp @MingleDandy @msm_monitor So your original claim that Scotland would simply “have to pay back subsidies on its own” still doesn’t hold.

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Scottish Extremist 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿@bonnyfechter·1d

@fergustp @MingleDandy @msm_monitor You're just asserting “the data is clear” without actually proving the core claim. You keep asserting “net drain”, but you’re only looking at one side of the system. Scotland exports electricity, that’s revenue you’re ignoring. Your claim of a subsidy burden still doesn’t hold.

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Thomas Ferguson@fergustp·2d

@bonnyfechter @MingleDandy @msm_monitor They pay back very seldom and there isn’t a day, week or month where they aren’t a net drain not a benefit, the data is clear. We would be responsible for covering the subsidy and trying to recoup it by exporting it unfortunately they wouldn’t recoup it the majority of the time

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Scottish Extremist 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿@bonnyfechter·1d

@Alison_S_Taylor @snp Scum like you would rather islanders died on a ferry in a storm? Please stay away from us; the islands deserve better than filth like you. #bothvotesSNP

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Alison S Taylor, MP - Paisley & Renfrewshire North@Alison_S_Taylor·2d

Beautiful if you can get there @SNP on a ferry ⛴️

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Scottish Extremist 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿@bonnyfechter·2d

@fergustp @MingleDandy @msm_monitor By your logic, every CfD-backed generator in the UK would be “selling at a loss” all the time, which clearly isn’t the case.

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Scottish Extremist 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿@bonnyfechter·2d

@fergustp @MingleDandy @msm_monitor You’re wrongly treating the strike price like a break-even for exports. It’s a revenue stabiliser for generators, not the market sale price. Electricity is still sold at wholesale, and the CfD just tops up the difference – it doesn’t mean Scotland is “selling at a loss”.

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Scottish Extremist 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿@bonnyfechter·2d

@fergustp @MingleDandy @msm_monitor You’re narrowing it to “24hr periods”, but that doesn’t change the mechanism, CfDs do pay back. More importantly, this still doesn’t support your original claim – Scotland wouldn’t just be left with a one-way subsidy bill.

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Thomas Ferguson@fergustp·2d

@bonnyfechter @MingleDandy @msm_monitor But they are so expensive they don’t without exceptional circumstance, there wasnt a single period last year where CFD’s paid back for 24hrs however they don’t pay back to us they pay utility companies, during the full Ukraine crisis they paid back less than the get some months

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Scottish Extremist 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿@bonnyfechter·2d

@fergustp @MingleDandy @msm_monitor Also, you’ve moved off the original point. Scotland wouldn’t just “pay subsidies on its own” – CfDs are two-way, ROCs phase out, and it exports power. It’s not a one way cost.

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Scottish Extremist 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿@bonnyfechter·2d

@fergustp @MingleDandy @msm_monitor You’re also double counting. ROCs are legacy and phase out, while CfDs replace them at lower cost. And again, you’re only looking at support payments, not export revenue in a system where Scotland produces a surplus.

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Scottish Extremist 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿@bonnyfechter·2d

@fergustp @MingleDandy @msm_monitor Subsidies don’t change the market clearing price. You’re still treating this as one-way costs when it’s a market with exports, revenues and two-way CfDs.

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Scottish Extremist 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿@bonnyfechter·2d

@fergustp @MingleDandy @msm_monitor CfDs have paid back in the UK during high price periods, you don’t need “Ukraine-level” prices, just prices above the strike price. Scottish electricity isn’t “fake priced”, it’s sold into the same GB wholesale market as everyone else.

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