Unstoppable Rollups

Community Call #4! TOMORROW: Tue, Aug 12 at 14:00 UTC! Topic: What is an Unstoppable Stage 2 Rollup? Video call link in the Telegram! t.me/unstoppable_ro…

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Kroma gave its users 21d notice before shutting down. Seem short? It's only 9 days off the "gold standard" 30 day exit window required by Stage 2! Here's a radical idea: *all* exit windows are too short! To protect user assets a rollup must be Unstoppable!

⛓️ Gists from the conversations on @CantStopETH community call lead by @dumbnamenumbers - Started with discussion on fake VCS sending Zoom call links(Scary) - @ssaintleger Tweet inspired the call - Alot of learning from @jon_charb cc @dba_crypto dba.mirror.xyz/LYUb_Y2huJhNUw… - Started with a presentation/discussion on Sovereign Rollups - What is rollup? Rollup has 2 layers: Execution and Consensus. We dug deeper into this - Execution is off-chain, but what about consensus? - Optimistic rollup has 7-day finality, which could be a mismanaged statement - “Off-chain” consensus 🤯 - Native stablecoin + non-cannonical bridged assets dominate the TVS 💸 - As a stablecoin issuer, you don’t want x signatures nuking you like @base (all love for base) - Rollups that are not sovereign cannot compete for stablecoin - @l2beat is awesome, shoutout to Luca Donno. But they could confuse users on some aspects 🤔 @_Enoch came up with great points on - Sovereign rollups are alt-l1s 💢 - Binance Smart Chain - alt L1, separate nodes, storing their state. Imagine they started using Eth for DA. This does not turn BSC to L2 or sacaling solution for ETH. BSC majority can decide to stop posting to Eth - Once you add proofs, it's not sovereign. Now it has a smart contract, and it’s equivalent to any rollup - We need a provisioning system to inherit any type of Ethereum security - Inheriting ETH security requires the execution layer - “7 day finality” is not a meme. 😡 - Provable bridges is not sovereign because they can fork and no imposition to follow the fork - To be called a sovereign rollup, there must be a way to build a light client 💻 - The market does not care about proofs because we have a centralized stablecoin 🫠 In @kelvinfichter words (@OPLabsPBC): "Basically, the issue with the idea of a "validating bridge" is that it's not a fundamental thing - it's something that the creators of a rollup try to put at the center of social consensus for that rollup. I think it's a weak definition." - Discussions on @base not being sovereign - enshrined bridge. - More conversation on what is called sovereign rollup vs Alt-L1 - Shoutout to Wallet beat @polymutex - Discussion on how we are trusting RPCs - @penumbrazone experimenting on this aspect of users running ultra-light nodes on their devices - @celestia is also integrating light clients (DAS) into wallets Shoutout @leap_wallet - @a16zcrypto github.com/a16z/helios - Conversation around sovereign roll-up alternative to bridged gas token. Discussion continued on @Optimism and @zksync stacks. - Sovereign rollups aren't just the future but the present - @celestia loves sovereign rollups xD - More research and discussion required on immutable bridges 📚

Summary: - Tom Lehman argued that sovereign rollups are already the dominant paradigm since stablecoins and native assets represent 60-71% of TVL on today’s top two rollups, Base and Arbitrum, making enshrined bridges unable to dictate fork choices - He claimed enshrined bridges now deliver zero benefits while retaining large downsides—most critically, an upgradable bridge can “nuke” a chain by minting unlimited native gas tokens. - The group explored paths forward—native rollups, immutable or per‑asset bridges, wallet‑integrated light clients, and repricing EVM op‑codes—agreeing that practical security hinges on bridge design, proof availability, and user education. Read more: unstoppablerollups.com/community-call…

Community Call #3! Sovereign Rollups are the Future (and Present!) Watch! Link to notes 👇

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Community Call #3 is TOMORROW: Tue, June 10 at 14:00 UTC! Topic: Are Sovereign Rollups Amazing or Terrible? @dumbnamenumbers will be arguing that the sovereign design is not only superior, but also (due to the rise of natively-issued stablecoins) all major rollups will eventually behave as if they were designed as sovereign, regardless of their actual original design! Disagree? Come debate!

Do NOT attend Community Call #3 if you HATE spirited debates! You've been warned!

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NEXT WEEK: Community Call #3! Topic: “Are Sovereign Rollups Amazing or Terrible?” This is a big one! @dumbnamenumbers will kick things off with a presentation entitled "Yes!" Then Q&A. Vote on the date in the Telegram! 🔗👇

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Community Call #2 Video is OUT! Gone in 15 Signatures: How to Permanently Shut Down Base

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Community Call #2 is TOMORROW: Thu, May 29 at 14:00 UTC! Topic: How to Shut Down Base. Join us to discuss how the world's largest rollup can be "Gone in 15 Signatures." (BONUS: discuss how it can ALSO be "98% Gone in 0 Signatures") Call link in Telegram 👇

@toghrulmaharram @0fcounsel @Togbe0x Biggest issue IMO is that the throughput on forced transactions is drastically lower than users expect. x.com/CantStopETH/st…

@0fcounsel @Togbe0x Depends on what you're doing with them, I guess

This argument can be literally extended to any construction. "Don't use Ethereum because those nasty validators will sandwich you, instead use my blockchain that I run on my home server because I promise I won't sandwich you" Why are we making exceptions for L2s? Oh, I know why, it's much easier to psyop the masses into the "base layer security" argument with L2s, while collecting all the revenue to yourself and letting the token be a useless govenance memecoin that sees none of the value generated (Arbitrum is an exception to the rule). The strategy pioneered by Uniswap, btw *wink wink*. And I understand the argument of progressive decentralization and that it would be risky to decentralize a sequencer immediately, but I refuse to listen to arguments that make centralized sequencers look like a better option than a decentralized one. Also, it's not just about value extraction. It's also about real-time censorship resistance and liveness guarantees as well as ordering guarantees, but it's very convenient to omit those and just focus on value extraction.

But what if Coinbase disabled the Base sequencer? Users could force transactions, but Base limits forced transactions to 20M gas every L1 block (12 seconds). Normally Base's gas limit is 840M every 12 seconds. That's a unilateral 98% decrease in throughput. Not subtle!

Base secures $15b in user funds. Base can be permanently shut down with 15 signatures. $1b per signature. Math checks out, right? NO! No, the math does not check out at all!! Learn more at the Unstoppable Rollups Community Call #2!