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chrishobcroft

@chrishobcroft

I work for everyone.

Katılım Haziran 2007
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The Chopping Block
The Chopping Block@_choppingblock·
.@TrustlessState read is brutally simple: “the real lens for this document is it’s Vitalik telling you what Ethereum is not going to do.”
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renaissancing
renaissancing@renaissancing_·
i feel like most people signalling they're upset by the mandate don't speak as if they have actually read it. it's long, so i'm not saying everyone needs to read it but if you're posting hot takes from feeding it to claude and asking a few pointed questions, maybe read the actual doc before posting? an institution doesn't put critical infrastructure on a blockchain because the tps is good. there is always a faster database. institutions need a system that nobody controls, can't be captured, censored, or shut down by governments a dissident in a country with capital controls doesn't use ethereum because the ux is nice. the ux is terrible on all blockchains. they use it because it's the only financial infrastructure that can't be turned off by the people they're trying to escape. if you think privacy and censorship resistance are abstract values you're in the wrong industry focusing on core values is not saying stop caring about adoption. it's saying: protect the thing that makes adoption meaningful. ethereum that compromises on censorship resistance to win enterprise deals doesn't need to exist. ethereum that holds the line is the only option for anyone who actually needs what a blockchain provides
yuga.eth 🛡@yugacohler

Ethereum is on a trajectory to become the Netscape of crypto. Historically foundational with its invention of the EVM, as Netscape did with JavaScript/SSL. Unfortunately destined for irrelevance due to an inability to focus on what matters. Just as Netscape wasted time on a rewrite from version 4 to 6 at a time when Microsoft was absolutely killing them, the EF insists on focusing on cypherpunk values at a pivotal time when the institutions are finally coming onchain - often to other networks. An EF determined to win would focus on how to make Ethereum the best chain for finance. That’s not what it’s doing today.

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owocki
owocki@owocki·
stateless communism has never been tried
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chrishobcroft
chrishobcroft@chrishobcroft·
@stableshaman Pointless because it said a load of things that you already knew? Or pointless because it isn't necessary for them to state their position (for whatever reason)? Or pointless because you don't think anyone read it? Or pointless because...?
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shaman
shaman@stableshaman·
The EF manifesto felt a bit pointless to me, but everyone and their dog has been talking about it all week and eth is pumping. write more words please for our bags
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MegaETH
MegaETH@megaeth·
We asked everyone at Mega to read the EF mandate ( also great art by @shiro57102 !) Not because we agree with every part of it, but because it forces a serious question this industry keeps trying to dodge: What are we actually building toward?
wishful_cynic@EvgenyGaevoy

I've seen a lot more people dunking than celebrating and it makes sense, after all most of us in crypto "pivoted" to be absorbed by the existing world machine. I also don't think most of the commentators made it past the blog post to the actual manifesto/mandate, just a sign of times I guess, clicking one extra link and spending time to read through is tough. On a more serious note, EF currently is the only player with both the resources and network effects to not just keep cypherpunk dream alive but also to actually make it happen. Will this accrue to eth price wise short term? Certainly not. Will it accrue to it long term? Only if it wins (and wins under the conditions it set for itself, not because of being adopted by tradfi). Should we care about price at all? Personally think the goal here is more important I absolutely think that we should have somebody at least trying this on grand scale instead of pursuing financial applications (and I’m pretty aware how funny it must sound from CEO of prop trading firm that made it from financial applications of blockchains🙃). Rest of us can do what they do and choose to hold eth or not. If I’m honest, holding it is a very long shot, but there are way worse cults out there, so I’ll keep my eth for the culture and memes🫡

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chrishobcroft
chrishobcroft@chrishobcroft·
@SomerEsat @dannyryan Yeah man, you came straight to mind when I was reading that piece. And your guides were for the (far more complex) job of running a Validator... running a node ought to be way simpler.
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chrishobcroft
chrishobcroft@chrishobcroft·
If nothing else, AI will teach us that no question is too stupid, and reassure us that our inquiry is entirely valid.
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Hexidethmal
Hexidethmal@hexidethmal·
I do find it kind of hilarious that the a main criticism of Ethereum has been that it remains laser focused on the reasons blockchains exists at all
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chrishobcroft
chrishobcroft@chrishobcroft·
@SCBuergel @VitalikButerin Running an Ethereum node is neither broken nor painful. It's remarkably easy. OK, you need to wait for it to sync, and you need some spare storage, but it is otherwise pain-free and is easy.
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Sebastian Bürgel
Sebastian Bürgel@SCBuergel·
I think this is entirely missing what Ethereum developers *honestly* think. I guarantee you, nobody building a serious app is thinking "oh, if only I would have to run one container less, I'd run my own Ethereum node". The entire discussion of running your own Ethereum node isn't even happening! Every developer knows that "running an Ethereum node is so broken and painful that OF COURSE we're not doing that, lmao!". I've actually had these exact discussions because I did attempt to make people who build apps (including those at @gnosis_ ) run their own nodes. It's not happening, there's not even a discussion about it. Running an Ethereum node is absolutely not in the Overton window for [d]app devs. So are Ethereum [d]app devs just stupid or unwilling to listen to Vitalik? No, I think Vitalik is just unaware of how bad the reality really is. I challenge you: take your agents on a one day journey to build any contemporary Ethereum app. I don't mean some sexy smart contracts, I mean the mundane web frontend that of course needs an indexer, make it AA because you like it sexy and then of course you need a bundler and then of course you need a price feed provider and then of course you need cross chain RPC providers to render a total balance. Build that on top of one single Ethereum client that you run yourself. Then (because you think that we have current diversity, right...?) swap that one client for another that you also run yourself. I know you're talking about individuals and not devs, but that's another level up from [d]app devs, especially because of all the additional services which a contemporary Ethereum app needs and that has to FOSS alternatives that anyone could run even if they wanted to. My point is: Ethereum nodes don't cater to the needs of actual [d]app developers, they cater to the imaginary battle against Solana and Base. That is my biggest ivory tower criticism of Ethereum.
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vitalik.eth
vitalik.eth@VitalikButerin·
We should be open to revisiting whole beacon/execution client separation thing. Running two daemons and getting them to talk to each other is far more difficult than running one daemon. Our goal is to make the self-sovereign way of using ethereum have good UX. In many cases that means running your own node. The current approach to running your own node adds needless complexity. Short-term, maybe we want some more standardized basic wrapper that lets you install dockers of any client and make them talk to each other easily? Also good that @ethnimbus unified node github.com/status-im/nimb… exists. Longer term, we should be open to revisiting the whole architecture once @leanethereum lean consensus is more mature.
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chrishobcroft
chrishobcroft@chrishobcroft·
This mandate things sure does seem to be dividing opinion.
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Josef Jelacic
Josef Jelacic@josefje·
@chrishobcroft @ethswarm Was my thinking also. But I couldn't find the public swarm based dropbox-like service and my Swarm node is running Openclaw now 🫣 Please do it 💪✌️
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