CitizenEE

@CUNextThu @EMAmbrosias @DefiantLs Go back and read. I never thought I had to spend the time dismantling such obvious nonsense, but apparently you think I did.

@citizen_ee @EMAmbrosias @DefiantLs You made the claim first, back it up.

Go for it

@EMAmbrosias @DefiantLs So yeah, there's tons of books giving details on how much more inexpensive and valuable it is to run through the government these main services and functions. It's why China can raise a city in no time, but California can't get a train system made.

@EMAmbrosias @DefiantLs Literally EVERYTHING I've listed is made cheaper and more efficient by the government. Go read a book.

@EMAmbrosias @DefiantLs In short, because some people need it a few public systems have problems, but that does not prove privatization is better. Electricity, mail, schools, healthcare, roads, and sanitation all show that essential services often work best when the goal is universal access, not profit.

Literally, not one thing you've listed is made cheaper or more efficient by the government. Electricity - keeps going up because govt owned utility monopolies allow them to drive up prices while the grid can't keep up with demand. Mail - the USPS is on the verge of bankruptcy because it can't keep up. Garbage pickup and sanitation - cheaper and better when provided by the private sector with more service options Road maintenance - projects always run over time and budget, inconveniencing commuters for long periods of time Sidewalks - the taking of private property for public use without compensating the property owner, you don't have a right to walk on a sidewalk Schools - government education is government propaganda meant to produce brainwashed idiots, not unlike yourself Fire services - full-time fire departments cost way more to operate than volunteer fire departments Police services - police are not a "service," they're government thugs employed to force you to bend to the government's will Healthcare - The ACA has driven prices upward. That law is an utter joke.

@EMAmbrosias @DefiantLs Police are a separate question: they are a public safety function, and whether a department is effective depends on training, oversight, and accountability, not simply whether it exists as a public institution. (12)

@EMAmbrosias @DefiantLs Fire and police Volunteer fire departments can be valuable in rural areas, but that does not mean they are cheaper or better in every setting. Full-time departments are necessary where call volume, response time, and specialized rescue capacity matter. (11)

@EMAmbrosias @DefiantLs of the difference. In healthcare, systematic reviews have found private delivery can perform worse on efficiency and outcomes in comparable settings, and private systems often add administrative layers that do not improve care. (10)

@EMAmbrosias @DefiantLs Schools and healthcare The claim that public education is just propaganda is rhetoric not evidence. In Canada a Statistics Canada study found private high school students did better largely because of family background and peer effects, while school resources explained little (9)

@EMAmbrosias @DefiantLs will not: universal access and long-term maintenance across unprofitable areas. Sidewalks are even more obviously a public-good issue, because they are part of the shared right-of-way that makes neighborhoods usable for everyone (8)

@EMAmbrosias @DefiantLs Roads and sidewalks Cost overruns on road projects are real, but that is an argument about project management, procurement, and political interference, not proof that public road systems are inherently worse. Public road networks also deliver what private firms usually (7)

@EMAmbrosias @DefiantLs mainly by narrowing service and shifting costs elsewhere. The “better with more options” claim depends on the city and the contract design, not on ownership alone. (6)

@EMAmbrosias @DefiantLs Garbage and sanitation Private contractors can be cheaper in some cities, but that does not prove they are better overall. Public collection often wins when cities need standardized coverage, labor stability, and fewer fragmented contracts, while private firms can save money(5)

@EMAmbrosias @DefiantLs even while posting a net loss, which shows a stressed public model, not proof that postal service cannot work. The comparison is also incomplete because UPS and FedEx do not serve every address at the same public-service standard. (4)

@EMAmbrosias @DefiantLs Mail USPS is not “government ownership always fails”; it is a public service operating under legal constraints that private couriers do not face, including universal service obligations and prefunding rules. USPS still generated $80.5 billion in operating revenue in FY 2025, (3)

@EMAmbrosias @DefiantLs in some contexts, and World Bank analysis found commercial tariffs averaged 8% lower where distribution utilities were public. So the blanket claim that government ownership never makes electricity cheaper is false. (2)

@EMAmbrosias @DefiantLs Electricity Electricity is a natural monopoly, so the real comparison is not “government vs pure private competition,” but public ownership versus regulated private monopoly. Research on U.S. electric utilities has found publicly owned utilities can have lower retail prices (1)

@EMAmbrosias @DefiantLs Fine. Let's go through all these "reasons" shall we? That post is a bundle of hot takes, not a serious comparison. Several of the examples it uses are cases where the real issue is funding, regulation, or governance, not “government can’t do anything efficiently.

@CUNextThu @EMAmbrosias @DefiantLs 7. The stakeholders aren't shareholders but all citizens. And no. He didn't give me reasons. He gave me "spin". Reasons are based on the reality of the situation.

@citizen_ee @EMAmbrosias @DefiantLs The guy who responded to you actually gave reasons why you were wrong. Instead of trying to counter you just called him wrong and plugged your ears with your fingers like a child. Makes me believe you don't even agree with what you say or just highly ignorant on the subject.

@CUNextThu @EMAmbrosias @DefiantLs 5. The benefit of making sure the service is owned by the public and not a corporation. 6. No need to pay middle-men, as healthcare demonstrates, who are there to limit expectations and perform for greater profit and less outcomes in a private organization.

@CUNextThu @EMAmbrosias @DefiantLs 1. More accountability to the citizen 2. No requirement to make a profit. 3. Deeper understanding of city and rural planning needs for the future. 4. Better access to cheaper resources for work since large scale purchasing is possible

@Man_Tis8691 @DefiantLs Yes, most fools think the opposite of the truth of what I've posted is true. You're right.

@citizen_ee @DefiantLs Exactly the opposite of the truth